I’d been corresponding with Frank, James’s father, for several years. His son, a former emergency room doctor, had a very severe case of ME/CFS, and Frank had been beating the bushes to find anything that could help. Nothing, however, was working. Recently, though, I got a surprising message. His son was on the mend. Below is a rare story – someone with a very severe case of ME/CFS – who has made remarkable progress.
Prior to getting ill, James worked as a professional model to put himself through medical school.
My illness started in 2009 at the end of my Residency medical training as an emergency room doctor. I worked as a California Board Certified E.R. Doctor before I collapsed at work in 2015 and ended up bedridden and incapacitated.
I can identify with what Whitney Dafoe and others are going through on a very real and deep human level: I was mostly bedbound for almost 6 years, clinically declining all the time, wearing earplugs constantly to block all sounds and a black T-shirt over my eyes because I could not tolerate light or visual stimulation. I could only wear shorts because my body was so painful to touch/pressure. I could only whisper to my mom that I was “dying,” and I used hand gestures for things I needed.
If I pushed myself too much during the day, I would enter a state I called my “energy crashes.” I attempted to explain through scribbling to my mom that this was known as post-exertional malaise and it would take me at least 2 to 3 days to recover. Living within such an extremely limited envelope of energy and functionality was beyond challenging and overwhelming — it was pure suffering.
I endured massive digestive issues, food and chemical sensitivities, and many other symptoms including fatigue, weakness, aches, muscle cramps, joint pain, unusual pain, ice pick pain, headache, red eyes, blurred vision, tearing, sinus problems, cough, shortness of breath, abdominal pain, diarrhea, morning stiffness, memory, focus, concentration, word-finding issues and confusion, disorientation, skin sensitivity, mood swings, sweats (esp. night sweats), temperature regulation problems, excessive thirst, static shocks, numbness and tingling, vertigo, metallic taste, and tremors. At the age of 43, my formerly brown hair started turning gray and white. I dropped from a fit 220lbs to 149lbs. My mother’s living room became a makeshift hospital.
Despite seeing dozens of doctors, including some ME/CFS experts, for six years, the former fitness buff and emergency room doctor kept declining. Eventually, he became completely bedbound and could not speak.
Thinking was such a huge issue. I had to apply my meditation techniques and just focus on my breath throughout the day and night just to slow my mind down and conserve energy. My breathing techniques were also a small escape from the sick feeling I experienced constantly.
Over time, I have visited with over 42 physicians, including 2 affiliated with Stanford, who specialized in CFS/complex diseases. I have undergone every sophisticated test in the world: my blood was sent to Germany; I’ve had surgical procedures; stellate ganglion blocks; IVs; central lines; ketamine injections; MRIs of the brain and CTs of the body; numerous trial medications (Abilify, hydrocortisone, and others), many supplements and IVs. The list goes on and on.
Either the treatments made me worse or had no effect.. Attempts to treat inflammation with Abilify, or my extremely low cortisol levels with hydrocortisone, for instance, made me worse. No etiology of my “root” problem was ever found. All I was left with was the term “ME/CFS” – a term, it ended up, that helped me not at all.
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I needed a totally new approach to my health. Thankfully, I found it and that made all the difference.
My Breakthrough
Everything changed after I did something called the GENIE (Genomic Expression: Inflammation Explained) test while under Dr. Heyman’s care, and obtained a diagnosis of having the biotoxin illness also known as CIRS (Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome). CIRS is a multisystem and multi-symptom neuro-endocrine-metabolic-immune disease process.
Dr. Heyman
James finally found help with Dr. Heyman (From YouTube recording of a Japanese conference).
I found out about Dr. Andrew Heyman from a friend who heard a podcast on a medical breakthrough regarding the GENIE test. Dr. Heyman, who is triple board-certified in Family Medicine, Integrative Medicine and Anti-Aging and Regenerative Medicine, is the Medical Director of Integrative Medicine at George Washington University.
He is also currently the Chief Medical Officer and co-founder of the Metabolic Code, the Director of Academic Affairs for the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, and oversees the training of 1000s of medical professionals. He has several leadership positions in the Integrative Health field. At the University of Michigan School of Public Health, he was responsible for administering a $7 million NIH grant to research alternative therapies for cardiovascular diseases.
He’s worked with Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker – the creator of the GENIE Test – for the last 16+ years. (Dr. Shoemaker technically is not practicing anymore. Check out his Surviving Mold website)
Dr. Heyman is often the LAST STOP for patients with mysterious illnesses. In my experience, he spends much of his time cleaning up other doctors’ messes and misdiagnoses of patients with ME/CFS, etc. (I believe the sun will be setting on this term soon enough as more doctors are becoming aware and literate with GENIE test).
The Masquerader: Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS)
James believes CIRS masquerades as many illnesses. He writes: “Patients with CIRS are often misdiagnosed as having depression, anxiety, post-traumatic stress disorder, and somatization; as well as Alzheimer’s, Parkinsonism, allergy, fibromyalgia, autoimmune disorders, and chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS), among others. Similar gene expression patterns were recently found in long COVID. Treating patients for these seemingly diverse conditions does not improve their symptoms of CIRS, although effective therapies for CIRS exist.”
“The reason this illness is frequently misdiagnosed is because health care providers are not aware of tests that can identify CIRS. With proper detection, diagnosis, and documentation of the objective basis of illness pathophysiology, CIRS may be treated effectively to improve symptoms and decrease the recurrence of uncontrolled inflammatory responses.”
“CIRS WDB is CIRS developed after chronic exposure to the interior of water-damaged buildings typified by resident microbial growth, including bacteria, filamentous fungi (molds), mycobacteria, and actinomycetes, together with resultant biologically produced toxins and inflammagens.”
“Since CIRS constitutes an activation of the innate immune system, which does not show up in most laboratory tests, making a proper diagnosis is difficult. Several biomarkers have been identified and there is a genetic component that can be tested. Low levels of a hormone, vasoactive intestinal peptide (VIP) that regulates smooth muscle functioning among others, and melanocyte-stimulating hormone (MSH), and high levels of TGF-B1 and complement factor4 (C4a) are often found. Several others (AGA IgA/IgG, ACTH/Cortisol, VEGF, ACLA IgA/IgG/IgM, ADH/Osmolality, MMP-9, leptin) are assessed as well.”
“CIRS is essentially a brain on fire. A dominant clinical feature of CIRS concerns cognitive complaints including memory loss, as well as mood disorders, brain fog, loss of executive function, and fatigue. CIRS is diagnosed using multiple markers that measure the innate response and the presence of inflammation in the brain.”
“There are now over 1,700 research papers to date on CIRS/biotoxin illness, but most mainstream doctors are not trained or lack experience in this field. (I wish I was armed with this info during my medical residency.) The good news is that this information is now being funneled into mainstream medicine and being taught in Residency programs.”
The GENIE Test
It was Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker’s GENIE (Genomic Expression: Inflammation Explained) which proved to be the medical breakthrough that allowed James to find relief after seeing dozens of doctors and taking every test under the sun. The GENIE test, it should be noted, is NOT just for mold; it’s designed for diagnosing a chronic fatiguing illness.
Shoemaker reported that the test, which was based on the work of James Ryan, Ph.D., took three years to develop and validate. The test assesses gene expression to determine if hypometabolism (low metabolic activity) – a frequent finding in ME/CFS metabolomic study results – is present.
The hypometabolism panel contains 175 reporter genes and covers the expression of everything from mitochondrial ATP synthase to Toll-like receptors to caspases (apoptosis).
Shoemaker reports that the GENIE test will show if a person has CIRS, if they are recovering, what parts of the body to focus on, if they are in a relapse. As the patient recovers, the test should show that the genes that were turned off are becoming activated again.
The test is called “research use only” which means that doctors must order the test; patients can’t do that yet. (Shoemaker state’s they are in the process of making that happen.)
The Visual Contrast Sensitivity (VCS) Test
James’s Test Results
James reported that his GENIE test results showed CIRS, stage 2, caused, in part, by toxins produced by actinomycetes bacteria. Actinomycetes bacteria are commonly associated with water leaks in the home and produce exotoxins that can cause symptoms like fever, chills, and respiratory problems.
Despite the fact that Shoemaker has largely been identified in the public with mold, he reports that forty-two percent of patients have actinomycetes bacteria while less than 10% are found to have the toxins produced by mold (mycotoxins). The remainder of the patients typically harbor fragments of a microorganism or biotoxins.
James noted that biotoxins are biologically produced toxins that can trigger a chronic, systemic inflammatory response in people who are susceptible to them. Approximately 25% of people have HLA (human leukocyte antigen) genes that impair their body’s ability to eliminate these toxins. These are the people, Shoemaker and Heyman assert, that are most likely to develop CIRS.
A nasal swab kit from MicrobiologyDx found a 3+ thick biofilm of MARCoNS (Multiple Antibiotic Resistant Coagulase Negative Staphylococci) in James’ nasal passages. According to Dr. Heyman MARCoNS is an antibiotic-resistant staphylococcus bacteria that resides deep in the nasal passage of about 80% of people who have low MSH (melanocyte-stimulating hormone) levels. Most of these people suffer from biotoxin illness and other chronic inflammatory illnesses (CIRS).
A laboratory-produced biofilm. Dr. Shoemarker states that when found deep in the nasal passages, MARCoNS bacteria can produce treatment-resistant biofilms. (From Wikimedia Commons.)
MARCoNS is not an unusual pathogen – almost everyone carries it in their nose. In fact, MARCoNS is usually thought of as a commensal bacteria; i.e. it’s part of our normal flora. It’s when MARCoNS gets down deep in the nasal passages that Heyman and Shoemaker and some other functional doctors believe the trouble begins.
Because melanocyte-stimulating hormone (MSH) protects the deep mucous membranes in the nose from MARCoNS colonization, Shoemaker and Heyman believe low MSH levels often precede the development of CIRS. Exposure to mold, chronic Lyme disease, and biotoxin illnesses can all deplete MSH, allowing the MARCoNS bacteria to colonize the deep nasal passages.
The Gist
- A former fitness trainer, fitness model, and emergency room doctor James hardly seemed the kind of person headed for about as severe a case of ME/CFS as you can get.
- Over a period of six years though – despite seeing numerous doctors including ME/CFS experts – James’ health continued to decline and decline – and eventually, he became bedbound, and was unable to speak, tolerate light, sounds, or touch. His brown hair turned gray and white and he lost 70 pounds.
- After taking the GENIE test developed by Dr. Shoemaker while under Dr. Heyman’s care, James was diagnosed with a stage 2 chronic inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS) illness – otherwise known as a biotoxin illness.
- Dr. Shoemaker and Dr. Heyman believe that many people diagnosed with ME/CFS as well as neurological illnesses and others actually have CIRS – the roots of which often begin with low melanocyte-stimulating-hormone (MSH) which fails to protect the deep nasal passages from biofilm enhanced bacterial infection that drives the illness.
- Since few practitioners assess the activation of the innate immune system the immune ramifications of the illness are often missed.
- The GENIE results suggested that James’ main problem was not mold but increased levels of actinomycetes bacteria, the presence of a treatment-resistant biofilm of MARCoNS (Multiple Antibiotic Resistant Coagulase Negative Staphylococci) in his nasal passages, low melanocyte-stimulating hormone (MSH), hypometabolism, hypercoagulation of the blood, increased expression of the Ikaros and histamine genes, among others.
- James began Dr. Shoemaker’s 12-step protocol under the care of Dr. Heyman who supplemented the protocol with treatments to improve his damaged gut. (See the blog).
- Since he started the protocol 16 months ago, James reported “I’ve had slow but steady progress since I started the treatment protocol. At the time I was almost literally on my deathbed.” While he cannot exercise yet, he is able to engage in most of the activities of normal life.
- Not surprisingly James is a strong proponent of the CIRS approach and suggests that everyone ask themselves if they are on the right path – and consider checking out CIRS if the answer is no.
- James plans to return to the medical field once he fully recovers and become a biotoxin/CIRS specialist.
- Take the CIRS symptom diagnosis poll at the end of the blog to see if you might have CIRS according to Dr. Shoemaker. Also, if you have tried the CIRS protocol please tell us how it went in the poll.
- If you’d like to communicate with James please leave your email in Health Rising’s Contact form and I will pass it on.
The end result, Shoemaker believes, are the familiar symptoms (body aches, debilitating exhaustion, etc. found in people diagnosed with ME/CFS and similar diseases.
James’s GENIE test also confirmed severe molecular hypometabolism, high rates of apoptosis (cell suicide), a hypercoagulable state that was likely causing nerve damage, and increased expression of the Ikaros gene. Shoemaker reports that an altered expression of this gene is found in 85% of CIRS patients with hypersensitivities to environmental chemicals, drugs, supplements, and foods. Shoemaker appears to be the first person to attempt to get at the molecular roots of this knotty and very mysterious problem. If he’s right, that would be something indeed.
James’ gene expression test results also cleared up another mysterious problem. While being seen at Stanford, he was diagnosed with having mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS) and prescribed multiple courses of antihistamines – which he reacted poorly to. The GENIE test indicated a possible reason why – – a gene involved in histamine production was overly expressed and had a polymorphism (small mutation) that impaired its functioning as well.
Interestingly, James’s test did not indicate that he had a problem with mold or a genetic susceptibility to it. Some doctors report that about a quarter of the population produces a hyper-reactive response to mold spores, but not James. Instead, James’s results suggested that he had more problems with actinomycetes bacteria and biotoxins.
While few mold studies have been done in ME/CFS, a large 2022 study, which unfortunately did not have a control group, found evidence of mold toxins in over 90% of ME/CFS patients who had a history of being exposed to a water-damaged building. A prior study reported a similar result – noting that an assessment of healthy controls by the same lab reported no positive results.
Treatment
Ritchie Shoemaker’s 12-step protocol
Dr. Heyman combined Ritchie Shoemaker’s 12-step protocol with his own integrative health approach. The full protocol is 12 steps but is stopped whenever a patient achieves health. Laboratory tests are given throughout the protocol to assess the patient’s state of health and provide treatment clues. A short outline is below. (See the 12-step protocol page for more.)
- Create a safe living situation – The first step of the protocol involves removing the patient from a moldy house, school, or workplace.
- Remove toxins using Welchol or cholestyramine.
- Eliminate bacterial MARCoNS (Multiply Antibiotic Resistant Coagulase Negative Staphylococcus) from the nose, if present. A combination of therapies is used, including EDTA.
- Gp on a gluten-free diet for three months if indicated by a positive antigliadin antibody (AGA) test.
- Correct abnormal androgen levels using DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone), HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) injections (or sublingually) for 5 weeks, or VIP (vasoactive intestinal polypeptide) nasal spray for 30 days.
- Correct antidiuretic hormone/osmolality problems with desmopressin tablets every other night for 10 nights or up to a month while watching osmolality closely.
- Correct an inflammatory marker called MMP-9, an inflammatory marker with omega 3 fatty acids, usually EPA and DHA, in conjunction with a “No Amylose” diet (potatoes, sweet potatoes, peanuts, carrots, plus cereal grains).
- Correct low VEGF 9 (<31) (vascular endothelial growth factor) if present, while staying on a no amylose diet.
- Correct high levels of complement C3a using high-dose statins while adding CoQ10 10 days into the treatment.
- Next, check for elevated C4a – while continuing with the rest of the protocol and VIP.
- Reduce elevated TGFB1s – an innate immune factor – by treating with Losartan for 30 days in adults.
- Add VIP if necessary – the website states that “By this time, most patients will already have become much better with reduction or resolution of at least 75% of their baseline symptoms.”. A normal blood test for lipase; a negative culture for MARCoNS; a normal HERTSMI-2; and a normal VCS test indicate that the patient’s toxin loads are low and VIP can be used if the patient is not back to health.
James’ Progress
Over the 16 months James has been on the protocol, he reported:”I’ve had slow but steady progress since I started the treatment protocol. At the time I was almost literally on my deathbed.”
I have also been treating gut health along the way (SIBO, etc.). Gut health is a huge component of this protocol and many mainstream doctors miss this. I noticed a significant change when we really targeted the gut around the 11-month mark or so with many treatments including biocidin, colostrum, calcium magnesium butyrate, pro bio spore/probiotics, collagen peptides, phosphatidylcholine (sunflower lecithins), digestive enzymes and SBI protect, which is gut immunoglobulins and BPC-157. The VIP I’m currently on also helps the gut.
I’m able to take foods like bananas and spinach and supplements like vitamin B12 and D3 that used to cause him problems.
A much healthier James – present day.
Currently, I’m on the last step which is focused on repairing brain inflammation and correcting the abnormal gene expression in one’s genome.
I can walk but am not able to exercise or drive; but I expect to continue my progress and eventually return to health. One year ago, I could not even fathom getting out of bed and using my laptop, or iPhone, cooking banana bread for my mom, or handling my finances. Now, this is all happening today as I continue on this path. Finally, I can say that my parents are much happier now and have less stress due to my progress and healing.
In summary, I do hope that this information for others is more than thought-provoking. I feel at times people feel validated or comfortable in their diagnosis. However, if you’re dealing with a chronic illness, and not getting any better with your current treatment, you need to really challenge things. I did and I’m winning.
One should be mindful and really ask yourself – am I on the right path? Is there possibly something else going on with my health and other avenues that I have not searched out? It’s easy to maintain a myopic view or even be conditioned by medical labels and diagnoses these days.
I have referred a close friend in the Boston area who was also initially diagnosed with ME/CFS, anxiety, and depression. He had a very similar experience as me, such as visiting numerous doctors and multiple trial medications, etc. Fortunately, I was able to refer him recently to Dr. Heyman and his GENIE test results showed CIRS stage 1. He just embarked upon his first six weeks of the treatment protocol. Stellar.
I also referred my father’s friend who was initially diagnosed with fibromyalgia and anxiety. She was put on anxiolytics, anti-depressants, and narcotics. Luckily, we placed her under Heyman’s wing and her recent GENIE test demonstrated CIRS stage 1 with severe neuronal injury.
There’s not a magical drug or supplement out there that will fix a chronic illness. It’s easy to treat symptoms all day long but unless the root cause is treated, the disease will remain. That’s why I believe it’s imperative to take a combination of functional and allopathic (conventional) medicine approaches. The root cause needs to be treated and the big picture needs to be evaluated. You just can’t treat the leaves on a tree…
My dad calls my illness a “Rip van Winkle type of syndrome”. I was critically sick and bedridden and unable to participate in or even keep up with my chosen profession (medicine) for so long that now that I’m coming back to life, I have a fresh perspective regarding where medical practice was and is. It’s been eye-opening, to say the least. I believe enough hard data and science exist to be able to confidently state that the CIRS paradigm of treatment has the potential to help many.
Each day for me is truly genuine recovery and a new light. My body is healing in a coordinated fashion as we have proceeded with each step of the protocol. My biomarkers and other lab values have demonstrated all of this and supported the research. My brain, cells, and mitochondria are actually healing. Talk about amazing science!!
I cannot thank Dr. Heyman enough for literally bringing me back to life, and also for Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker’s brilliance with the GENIE test and his dedication to biotoxin illness.
I’m a firm believer that everything on this journey happens for a reason. I’ve concluded there is definitely a Higher Source that still wants me on this earth to help others with chronic illness. I have not gone through all this pain and suffering for nothing, right?!
As my dad said to me on my birthday last week, new beginnings exist for me to help others. I couldn’t agree more.
Dr. Heyman has already discussed career coaching with me, and I will be shifting from an emergency medicine physician to a biotoxin/CIRS specialist. I am beyond thrilled and looking forward to becoming literate with the GENIE test and becoming certified after I complete the intense CIRS courses needed to treat patients. I will carry the utmost passion and empathy towards these patients I encounter, due to my journey through this chronic illness.
Lastly, I sincerely thank Cort Johnson for his interest in my story and passion for helping others. I appreciate him putting this information out there for people to absorb, research, and ultimately get themselves on the correct healing path if they feel this is applicable to them. I’m confident that it will only help!
Dr. James
- If you’d like to communicate with James please provide your email address in the contact form for Health Rising and I will pass it on.
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Take the CIRS Poll!
Determine if your symptoms suggest – according to Dr. Shoemaker – you have CIRS. Also, if you’ve gone through the CIRS protocol, please tell us how it went.
Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS) Symptom Diagnosis and Treatment Efficacy Poll
This poll has two parts: the first question provides the opportunity to assess if your symptoms suggest - according to RItchie Shoemaker - if you might have CIRS. The next section asks people who have tried Shoemakers CIRS protocol wth one doctor or another how effective it's been. Please don't answer the second set of questions unless you've at least been through most of the CIRS protocol.
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The Masquerader: Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS)
James believes CIRS masquerades as many illnesses. He writes: “Patients with CIRS are often misdiagnosed as having depression, anxiety, post-traumatic stress disorder, and somatization; as well as Alzheimer’s, Parkinsonism, allergy, fibromyalgia, autoimmune disorders, and chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS), among others.
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It makes no sense to say CIRS is “misdiagnosed as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome when the story of “Mold at Ground Zero for CFS” is in FOUR of Dr. Shoemakers books.
This should tell anyone with common sense that toxic mold is what the CFS syndrome was coined for.
ME/CFS Alert Episode 105.
Interview with Erik Johnson, Incline Village survivor, original prototype for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J54iQfzqFOE&t=1s
I can find no documentation or record of mold at all in Myalgic Encephalomyelitis.
By contrast, toxic mold was the very clue that started “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome”
For this reason I make sure to use the CFS nomenclature for the specific illness entity that was being investigated by Dr Gary Holmes and was the reason for the convening of the Holmes committee – creation of the Holmes 1988 CFS definition.
Also I forgot to add….. yes some of us very well could have CIRS as there are many water leaks and water damaged buildings etc but usually it’s not happening in “clusters” like it did for you. Everyone’s immune system is different and some people exposed to the very same mold within the same household or office building only a smaller % of them get permanent chronic issues with the mold problem. I’m not here trying to argue with you and guarantee you will snap back with some argument and post more of your videos or websites but I’m not going to waste my precious energy responding so please don’t bother.
Dr Scott McMahon 2019 Fort Lauderdale Florida Mold Congress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zqiPNnqvOA
Erik…. In the entire ME/CFS community on every platform there is YOU are always going around causing problems and being RUDE and DISMISSING MECFS completely!!! As MANY of us with this disease have told you, your CFS experience and how YOU got sick, which was a “CLUSTER sickness” in your area is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than the way that 90% of us with actual ME/CFS got sick!!! For more than 90% of us we didn’t get sick from a “cluster” like you did and it’s super annoying how you consistently go around wasting peoples time, energy and hopes!!! You go on and on about how your chronic fatigue syndrome “ground zero” sickness was caused by mold and how TONS of people in your specific area in Incline Village Nevada got misdiagnosed with CFS and it’s really mold sickness…. Yes in your case and back then DECADES AGO yes that is what happened with you and that town BUT people really aren’t getting this disease ME/CFS that way anymore (if at all) and you never really hear of clusters of people getting sick with this disease, it’s almost 100% of the time we get this by first having a viral infection and then never getting better OR it being caused by vaccines and then viral sickness and never getting better!!! You have made thousands of people upset with your constant harassment and not believing in MECFS so you really should just stop and leave us all alone on EVERY FORUM AND SOCIAL MEDIA!!! We get it, you got mold disease and misdiagnosed with CFS but that was in the 80’s and decades ago!!! We don’t care what ground zero is because it has NOTHING to do with what WE ALL HAVE!!! Stop harassing all of us people that are sick, our care takers, scientists that specialize in ME/CFS etc etc we have ALL told you ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!
Godschild, I’ve learned to keep scrolling, there are rabblerousers involved in any topic you can think of.
We with ME, for the most part, can filter out comments that do not merit further investigation.
Trust in god, all others bring data!
Wow… Erik Johnson has saved the lives of countless people with ME/CFS, and mold illness by continuing to spread the word even when getting tons of pushback. I for one am beyond grateful that he continues to talk and post about how mold was found where the initial clusters of CFS were first identified. It most definitely is relevant information for anyone with this diagnosis looking for answers and a way out of this hellacious illness.
Some of have have Chronic Fatigue as the result of lingering viral infections,
and some may have similar symptoms because of mold, or the bacteria which
may accompany moldy conditions.
It’s great that there is now a test so that we can find out the origin and type of
illness we have.
To be presented with these possibilities is certainly not “harassment.”
If you think so, that’s another kind of disease altogether.
Godschild17, I live near Dr. Heyman’s practice, and have had ME/CFS for 40 years. My symptoms did not become a devastating problem until I entered an MD/Ph.D program. I knew that I had immune system issues, and had decided to dedicate my life toward studying Neuro-immunology. It did not work out, but I am very familiar with both men that you are dismissing. Dr. Richard Shoemaker saved countless lives of Marylanders on the Eastern shore by discovering that their severe ME/CFS symptoms were caused by a protozoan in the water feeding the Bay. Dr. Heyman is not just a “mold guy” either. He drills down to Lyme disease bacteria, metal toxicity, virals, adrenal problems, HPA axis problems, mitochondrial disease, nematodes, and slowly cures or improves these afflictions. The only problem with Dr. Heyman is that his tests are expensive, and most of us are now broke. I am one of his patients. He gets it ! (So does Richie Shoemaker!) as Sara Myhill always reminds us, “it’s all about mitochondria!”
Thank you Rich for your insights and comments. Much appreciated and right on target
CIRS encompasses so many chronic illnesses and provides such an explanatory and Evidence-based approach model.
Dr. J
Our Son could not be diagnosed at Mayo Clinic or Johns Hopkins other than chronic fatigue/ mitochondria disorder. This led to Biotoxin discovery and a path to healing.
Thanks for sharing the helpful experience!
Hello Matt!
Thank you for the great comment. I am so thrilled that you are on the correct path. Much deserved
Best in health and healing
Dr. J
Wow, this is amazing news! Thank you, James and Cort for posting this! I can’t wait to see all the people you will heal, Dr. James! Let us know when and where you start practicing! : D
Ya know, there is a scripture that expresses that God can make good out of anything. No, I don’t personally believe he causes negative things to happen to us, but I do believe He can make good out of it all, and somehow, some way, cause things to be used for the overall good of humanity because He believes in us that much, even more than we believe in Him sometimes. I’m excited for where He will take your story! 🙂 So, no, it is not wasted at all!
As for me, as much as CFS has robbed me of so many goals in life, God has used it to allow the deepening of my character and compassion, and I’ve become an incredible writer through it all, often because I write to express myself, whereas the brain fog doesn’t allow me to do it as easily through talking.
Thank you!!
“He can make good out of anything”
😉
Dr J
Hi Dr. James,
Just wanted to see how you’re doing and ask if you can become an affordable doctor that can heal us. I’m just feeling so low and discouraged right now after my own integrative doc said he doesn’t want to help me with SSDI paperwork, or even any more doctor’s notes for medical leave. 🙁 I don’t have the education nor the energy to go to medical school myself, so the only thing I can think of is we pray you finish healing and can turn around and help us. Hopefully you can take insurance. 😉 Or give CFS discounts, lol. I’m dreaming, but I’m at a loss for a solution. Dr. Heyman and his testing and protocol sound awesome, but it is more than many of us can afford, and I just don’t know what to do. 🙁
Hi again Erik,
Sorry I’m just catching up here as a newbie, but wow, I see you are an Incline Village survivor. I’m sure it’s been discussed here, and I will click on the video you posted, but I did not realize there was not a consensus as to what happened with the CFS epidemic in Tahoe. I know Dr. John Chia believes it was due to the sewage spills there. Do you not believe this? What about the XMRV findings and the Whittemore Institute researchers? Or is it a combination of it all? I’ve spent much time in Tahoe myself, even swimming the lake before and after the spills, not even realizing until recently there have been sewage spills into the lake.
Hi,
I have been diagnosed with dysautonomia from my Functional doctor. We are doing some neural therapy. I have 1 symstom in 8 clusters. The CIRS is new for me, my doctor never mentioned.
How can I get tested for mold? Any recommendations.
I do have Argentin 23 dropper instead of spray. I read these are some of the supplements suggested, L-theanine, tumeric,probiotics,herbal antibiotics.
No everyone can afford to see Dr. Heyman so any suggestions to help me with my symptoms will be greatly appreciate it.
If you know a doctor in Dallas that follow Dr. Shoemaker’s protocol will be awesome.
Actual symptoms:
Tingling and numbness in my extremities (5+ years).
Allergies: itchy, red, watery eyes. Itchy ears, fullness sensation.
Sinus congestion
Headaches
Dizziness frop time to time
Mild join pain
Smell sensitivities
Heat intolerance
Seborrheic dermatitis( AIP diet helped) couldn’t stick for more than 2 weeks.
Fatigue is better from 3 years ago.
I have been working in my gut is much better now. Sill some more work to do done. Digestive enzymes and probiotics helped the most. I did gluten 100% for 3 months did not helped with my tingling.
Thanks so much!
I have symptoms in all 13 clusters. I’ve been mostly bedridden for the last 10 years. Diagnosed with POTS/Dysautonomia. What do I do with this information?
Hello Trena, Dr James writing here. I’m very sorry to hear about your chronic illness. You can start by going to survivingmold.com and look for a physician in your area. The ones listed on the website are CIRS trained and certified. Do let me know if you need more guidance. Hang in there…Thank you
Dr James
I also have symptoms in all 13 clusters plus 20 and more not even mentioned. The biggest problem I find here is when you are this debilitated you can’t work and all your extremely limited energy goes into survival mode. If you can’t work you apply for disability. If you get disability it’s all you have to rely on to live, especially if you don’t have someone to care for you. The bottom line is that affording any of this protocol or the fees for visiting a doctor schooled in this is or ANY doctor for that matter is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, let alone getting there for help. Most of us are deflated after hope up followed by despair after each “try” to get better. I believe many of us if not most cannot afford to do any more “trying” to get better and so however glad I am that some people are finding hope again it leaves the majority of us without it.
A lot of symptoms mentioned are common with hEDS or HSD. There’s a saying, if you can’t connect the issues, think connective tissues.
Are there any doctors in Canada who can treat this? I’m in Montreal. 24 years with multiple chronic conditions and I have symptoms in all of those clusters. I keep falling on articles about mold…it’s one area I have not been able to look into. I’ve asked a couple of doctors but they don’t know very much! Thank you 😊
Hi Teresa
Yes I would recommend https://hoffmancentre.com/treatments/
Dr Hoffman is the only Shoemaker certified CIRS doctor in Canada. He is located in Alberta but I’m sure he can provide telemedicine consults as Dr Heyman does and others. Hope this info helps
Dr James
Dr. James. Thank you so much for sharing your story. It resonates in so many ways. My illness started with the combination … heavy exposure to toxic flea bombs, travel vaccines and tremendous mental stress.
Anyhow.. Do you know of a Doctor working with this protocol in the UK or the Caribbean please?
Hi Teresa,
Dr Heyman has a series of videos on youtube that outlines his treatment plan, so its quite possible to start some of the recommendations he has. I have recently talked to another person who has been working with him. Also, you can start by evaluating the place that you are living passes the ERMI test. You can also start things to start working on Marcons (XLear, and Silver Spray (Argentyn23 is usually recommended). If you can get a doctor to prescribe Synapsin and EDTA spray, then you have more tools. If not you can start with L-theanine and turmeric and I would recommend rotating herbal anti-biotics and prob-biotics as well as look at your diet to start working on your gut.
There are three additional Shoemaker-trained clinicians in Calgary (Proficiency Partners). https://www.survivingmold.com/shoemaker-protocol/surviving-mold-proficiency-partners-diplomates
Hello Dr. James, my name is Justin Carlson, I’m diagnosed with CIRS via GENIE and am a patient of Dr. Heyman’s, and in a similar state that you were though generally not quite as bad. I was wondering if I could correspond with you to share notes on specific things you found helpful beyond the basic protocol.
Thanks,
Justin
Hii!
please do you know someone in toronto?
I’ve also been sick with many mystery illness chronic fatigue fibro chest pain double vision IBS food allergies infllamation I have not been able to work fulltime since 2012 but this all started around 2006 and may be because the 1930s building I been living in here for 16 years and counting. I also don’t hsve money to afford treatments I have went in debt 30 000 over 8 years trying to heal myself with food and suppliments and bills when I couldn’t work more than 1 shift a week now just struggling to get by on limited income
I’m from BC Canada. Hoffman’s clinic is extremely expensive. Members in my EDS/ CFS/POTS/MCAD fb group find his treatments questionable.
Great article giving much hope.
I also have symptoms in all the clusters.
I live in the UK where it seems there is little help for people within the ME/CFS community. Symptom relief seems to be the best we can hope for.
I often read about treatments fellow sufferers have in the US but they just aren’t available here on the NHS or privately to my knowledge. So incredibly depressing.
I’m so very glad to hear of your recovery and let’s hope this will lead the way for many more.
Thx for the comment Fiona. Yes, quite a struggle for you in the UK. Heyman and other CIRS docs provide telemedicine if you have the resources. I realize it is frustrating about insurance covering only a small portion – perhaps this will change in the future
Louise Carder is a Shoemaker-Certified clinician in the UK!
Dr’s in Canada who treat mold. See also Surviving Mold website for a list of mold Dr’s (Dr R Shoemaker’s site). https://drcrista.com/doctor-finder/
This reminds me of the guy (I forget his name) who had a heavy metal poisoning and was “misdiagnosed” as having CFS. Maybe Cort could add a link to that HR article?
Researchers should really look into how certain toxins could produce CFS symptoms, complete with push/crash PEM and sound/light sensitivity. If they can turn those hallmark CFS symptoms on/off at will with a toxin, that could lead to the identification of the CFS mechanism and possibly a treatment for the “real” CFS.
Yes – good memory. I was thinking of Kyle McNease as well. He was so sick that they were afraid that moving him to the doctor would kill him. It was heavy metal poisoning from an incident working on an old barn I think it was. He COMPLETELY recovered! Amazing study.
https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2019/09/21/the-suffering-of-one-relieved-kyle-mcneases-me-cfs-recovery-story-detailed/
The other one I remember who got this ill who fully recovered was Mike Dessin. He actually had a relapse at some point and then recovered from that!
https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2016/04/28/listen-me-mike-dessin-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-relapse/
https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2016/04/28/listen-me-mike-dessin-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-relapse/
Lisa Petrison, Ph.D. on April 28, 2016 at 11:49 am
This article makes it sound like Mike’s illness had nothing to do with toxicity and that those who attribute their illness to toxicity must not have ME/CFS.
It’s my belief that that is not an accurate assessment of the situation. And so, with Mike’s permission, I am sharing a few more details of his story and some additional comments.
I spent a good bit of time with Mike in Columbus (where he recovered) and Newport Beach (where he first got really sick) back in 2010. So I had a chance to learn a bit about his history.
Mike first got sick when he was in college at the University of Cincinnati, with a viral infection that he never quite bounced back from. However, after he graduated, he moved to California, made a lot of money in sales, and was (as he put it) living the “good life.”
Then he got suddenly much sicker. At this time he was living in a house that had been previously sprayed twice with flea bombs and that had obvious black mold growing on the walls.
Like me, Mike corresponded in person with Erik Johnson about toxic mold issues and mold avoidance in Fall 2007.
Mike soon moved out of the moldy house, leaving his contaminated belongings behind.
For a while, Mike was living with his dad in Columbus but concluded the house was too moldy. So he insisted that he be moved (again without any possessions) into a separate apartment.
A month or two later, he started seeing a neural therapy practitioner and pursuing some other therapies. And then started making really fast progress toward getting a lot better.
When I visited Mike’s subsequent apartment in Columbus in 2010, it felt good enough to me that I volunteered to babysit his dog when he went on a trip so that I could stay there longer.
When I visited Mike in Newport Beach about six months later, he expressed concern that I might not be able to tolerate his house there even though he was doing okay in it. But that house felt fine too. And the restaurant he suggested we go to also felt fine.
On the other hand, when I was visiting Mike in Columbus, he handed me some papers with regard to his health history and asked me to look at them. Within a few minutes, I started reacting really strongly and said I felt like killing myself.
I said, “Where the hell did these papers come from?” He said that they were in the moldy house where he got sick and that he hadn’t opened that box for a really long time. Then a few minutes later, he said that he was starting to feel like he was getting CFS again.
I told him to put the box away, and to take a shower and change clothes, and to wipe down the surfaces of the house where the papers had been. And the next day, we were both fine.
So in short – I see Mike’s recovery story as precisely the same as mine.
Both of us got sick with a viral-type infection to begin with, recovered a lot of functioning, and then eventually declined into really severe illness.
Both of us got really sick in a house that had a combination of a lot of potent toxic mold mixed with flea bomb, in an area that periodically had some of the bad outdoor sewer toxin but not a really large amount of it.
Both of us had test results suggesting classic ME (with almost exactly the same level of results).
Both of us learned about mold avoidance from Erik at exactly the same time and followed his advice.
Both of us did a lot of neural therapy and a variety of other overlapping therapies.
Both of us had a short lag time after moving from a moldy dwelling until we started seeing any progress.
Both of us have avoided environments that felt problematic to us and ended up in quite good environments.
Both of us have maintained our wellness over time, though with the potential of slipping back down into serious illness again if we are not careful. (I would imagine that an eye operation could do that to me too, especially if I were forced to be in a bad environment during the operation or recovery.)
So i don’t see my story and Mike’s as any different at all. The difference is on the emphasis.
Although I agree with Mike that toxic exposures are not all there is to ME, I am positing that toxicity in general and mold toxins in particular are at the root of the illness. And so have focused most of my attention on that.
In this article, Mike suggests that toxicity can “greatly exacerbate” the illnesses of ME patients but that he doesn’t think that it initiates the illness. And he points out (rightly) that these patients often have an enormously difficult time with detoxification.
Despite my own emphasis on mold, I don’t think that mold is all there is to it in this illness either. As appears to be the case with AIDS, it may be that there is an underlying pathogen that is common to everyone with this illness and that the mold toxicity is just a factor that causes it to become much, much, much worse.
http://www.paradigmchange.me/aflatoxin-and-aids/
Erik has said the same thing many times – that he felt like the Lake Tahoe epidemic was the coming together of two factors: particularly bad mold (both from the sewers and in the buildings) and a virus of some kind. And that in order to understand the phenomenon, both components needed to be understood.
So despite the fact that Mike does not bring up mold at all in this article, I am not in disagreement with him in terms of anything except for the emphasis.
On the other hand, those who read the article without further information seem likely to come away with the idea that mold had nothing to do with Mike’s case and that he is in a wholly different category of the illness than I am.
Which I don’t think is true and which has the potential of being misleading to those scientists who are trying to figure out what is going on in the illness.
So I felt like it was important to share this additional information.
Thanks to Mike for being so open in sharing his story and for all his work on behalf of those with this illness.
Lisa Petrison, Ph.D.
Paradigm Change
http://www.paradigmchange.me
Thanks for fleshing that out Erik.
Buselli babes OMG!!!!! Call me! I miss you so much
Would living next to a damp forest be toxic? As this is the original place these wood eating and decaying molds originate from. I can sometimes smell the mold from the damp forest nearby.
And a wet home is basically those same forest mold spores coming indoors and living off the damp timber and now wet drywall cardboard coating.
Even if our houses are dry that mold still drifts inside from the damp forest and bush. It might not live there but it definitely is in the air we breathe.
My question is how much do you need before it becomes too toxic?
Damp moldy forests are no problem at all.
We mold reactors go up the coast of California, everything mossy and green, dripping with mold and it is a healing place.
It was clear from the start of the CFS syndrome that this was mold doing something strange inside buildings. Degrading some kind of chemicals that are released into the air, making us sick.
Constant Vigilance: Julie Rehmeyer’s Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Recovery Story
by Cort Johnson | May 2, 2014 | Homepage, Mold
https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2014/05/02/constant-vigilance-julie-rehmeyers-mecfs-recovery-story/
This is old. I just communicated with Julie recently. She is not illness-free.
Yes. Neither is Jen Brea. They both disintegrated from spinal issues.
But this does not remove the clue that they were affected by toxic mold.
Does anyone have an estimate as to what this protocol would cost since most of the doctors who treat these issues do not accept insurance and Medicare won’t pay for these tests anyway? It would be nice to understand if this is doable or completely out of reach. Thanks.
Hi Sally
I inquired with Dr Heyman’s office and was told to plan on about 2 years and between $10000 and $20000. The Genie test is going to be a little over $1000 as there is the cost of the test as well having to get the blood draw done and processed in the correct way, having to buy dry ice and getting it overnight delivered to the lab.
Yes, to Erik Johnson, Jennifer Brea still admits avoiding mold has helped her so far.
I really don’t understand this continuing attempt to rewrite history. Yes, Jen Brea tried mold avoidance but before her surgery she was in awful shape and declining rapidly. Her turnaround in her health was due to craniocervical instability surgery – not mold avoidance.
Yes, Cort, it does seem Jen Brea was mostly helped by her surgery, but she also still makes it a point to tell people that mold avoidance has helped her as well. I just read it on her blog that she still gives partial credit to mold avoidance, but she also still admits she’s not 100% either, so they both are only pieces of a larger puzzle, so to speak, and like a lot of us, there are more pieces to find out. 🙂
Dang, Chris, the GENIE test is over a grand?? Has anyone ever got their insurance to cover it or at least tried?
In any case, thank you for providing the info about the costs of working with Dr. Heyman. I admit, the cost is discouraging. 🙁 Makes me wish I was an MD already myself so I can start healing everybody, but then I think of the cost and the time and the energy it would take for the education, and then it still isn’t a good answer. Just feel trapped. 🙁
Hi, do you know of any specialists in the UK who provide this testing and protocol? I have symptoms in pretty much all relevant clusters and was exposed to not one but 2 water damaged buildings.
Hi Vana
Unfortunately I do not have CIRS docs in your region that I am familiar with. I would imagine you can find one here in the USA such as Heyman that provides telemedicine
Hi Sally,
I inquired with Dr Heyman’s office and was told to plan on about 2 years and between $10000 and $20000. The Genie test is going to be a little over $1000 as there is the cost of the test as well having to get the blood draw done and processed in the correct way, having to buy dry ice and getting it overnight delivered to the lab.
How, my name is Reginald. I am so much like all of you people.sinus issues, mold hypersensativities, moved to 6 different homes, I felt I was very near death at one point. I was 110 lbs. My bloodwork is not good.low red and white cells ,high ferritin….etc etc
I had/have large lymph lumps all over my upper body. I have high levels of uranium, nickle and antimony. I’ve read from ron davis that the uranium is being traced back to well water. The night I initially got ill, I was living in a motel room for 6 months going to community College, taking a welding coarse…the motel was out along a hyway and had WELL WATER. I did also spend many days staying at my grandparents farm from a very young age…again WELL WATER.
Although I do not believe mold to be the cause of these illnesses, I do believe they can cause a downward slide in our already taxed immune systems.
Now I will tell you how I am SLOWLY ,over many years, getting better….
I bought a book by Dr Raymond Perrin about 3 yrs ago. I self tested my Perrin point…sure enough my Perrin point was more than delicate.i began his exercises.
Not much happened for the first few weeks but all of a sudden my lumps, some the diameter of a golf ball, now went to half the size. If I stopped the perrin exercises, the lumps would come back to full size.
I’ve been doing a whole lot of thinking about the cause of my illness and other illnesses similar. If we look at MS, we here in Saskatchewan, Canada have the highest rates in the world, many cases come from our rural farming communities..WELL WATER???
my belief is our bodies aquire these toxins and for genetics, vaccines, or other reasons we are unable to clear these toxins faster than they enter our bodies. Recall that gulf war illness, which is so very similar may have been caused by vaccines…he’ll, they all got 15 vaccines at once. I keep thinking, if vaccines are meant to raise an immune response, maybe the vaccines from childhood didn’t do their job until later in life…and then KERBOOM…a trigger like mold, stress, infection, death in the family etc.
I’m just a lay person trying to figure this out as it ruined my life from one end to the other. Like all of us, I too am poorer than poor. I fear this illness will finish me. I doubt mold is a causative. The fact that the Perrin technique is doing something for me, tells me we are not clearing toxins from the body and toxins via the leaky gut are entering the bloodstream and filling our lymph system. The people that seem to do the best are people that heal the gut.i may be wrong about some of us as like many have said, there are subgroups. I believe once the gut stops doing its job, many organs become out of time or sync…leading to a locked up immune system function. I also believe it’s why researchers havnt been able to crack this…once a person becomes locked up, for a length of time , many change begin to happen over time. What I think could crack this is to find a person in the beginning phase of this and measure functions as the illness progresses. I suppose it’s what they are doing with covid 19 and long covid which I’ve also acquired.
Now I will tell you about my sister in law…the only sister out of 3 girls that spent countless hours ,weekends out at her dad’s farm while the 2 other sisters, including my wife ,never went to the farm, lived in the city. The sister that spent countless hrs. At the farm has severe MS…WELL WATER?? this farm is in an area of Saskatchewan with very high rates of MS. I hope this post makes it to or near the bottom.im not very savvy as I was bedridden (1993) and missed the computer era. It will be interesting to hear if others on here drank from wells at any time in their lives
LA2SD,
Please see my very last comment at the bottom. It has a link for financial support if needed
The GENIE is $720
😉
Thx
Dr J
It sounds like James is still living at his parent’s house, so am I correct in thinking that his CIRS problem didn’t originate there?
Hello Gail. Correct. My chronic illness likely originated at the end of my residency in 2009. Working in the ER all those years under chronic stress and exposure to Actinomycetes bacteria ( in my case) led me to my clinical decline. The most recent data and research demonstrates 42% is from actinomycetes bacteria which almost all households have —carried by dust. Approximately 7 to 10% is from mold. Both causing CIRS. We also worked with Larry Schwartz who performed an in-home environmental testing assistance in my moms house — showed high levels of actinomycetes. Here’s his website. He’s quite renowned. https://safestartiaq.com/meet-the-team/
Dr James
Dr. James, did you or your parents do something to decrease the level of actinomycetes in their home or is your body now able to overcome the effects of actinomycetes? Or is it something else?
When you go through the shoemaker protocol, the first most important step is removal from the exposure. Therefore Dr Heyman referred us to Larry Schwartz as you can see on the link above. He works with most doctors in this field. So yes we took certain protocols to clean up the home. My body will always be genetically susceptible to actinomycetes bacteria — the exposure has been eradicated. It’s obviously a lot more complex than this to share or write in the comment section. If you have a chance watch the Genie test link.
Dr J
I just want to say that one of the things I love about James story is how it showed that a really fit guy – a fitness instructor, in fact, – working in a job that carried with a lot of responsibility – which meant a high level of achievement was necessary – still came down with a really severe case of ME/CFS.
His story just blows apart so many stereotypes – that it’s a women’s disease, that malingerers get it (I imagine that malingerers get booted out of the ER pretty quickly!), etc.
Hi Dr. James, if 42% are carried by dust would proper cleaning and good air purifiers help mitigate the situation? Thank you
Thank you, Dr. James and Cort, for your comments here. As someone who was accused of malingering which led to further abuse, I know the false judgments firsthand.
To verify in layman’s terms, Dr. James, would you say the beginning cause of your disease was not only pushing yourself and stressing your body, but also living and working where these biotoxins reside?
And why do many of us not know of these biotoxins? Are/were they newly discovered?
These are different than the enteroviruses and echoviruses that Dr. John K. Chia’s been studying, right?
Does anyone see any connections between Dr. Shoemaker’s work with cirs and Dr. Systroms findings?
There’s potentially a strong inflammation link. In CIRS – chronic immune response syndrome – inflammation is triggered by the biotoxins and/or the bacteria if I have it right. All that would need to match up with Systrom’s findings is an inflammatory response that targets the blood vessels, the small nerve fibers and/or the mitochondria, I would think.
In which case, the inflammation would be the cause and the blood vessel/mitochondrial dysfunction merely the effect of inflammation.
But I don’t think we need to make a connection between the two. They could well be competing hypotheses and we don’t know yet which one is true for sure.
As a patient of Dr.Systrom’s ( love him) It would be amazing if he was able to come up with some treatment’s that could help in a similar way but would not cost thousand upon thousands of dollars. I have been down that rd before. ( not this particular protocol) it will take me some time to spend that kind of money, yet again. On another note, I wanted to mention the story of another physician who’s story I really enjoyed for the same reason’s you mentioned enjoying Dr.J’s, story, because it showed how a fit & healthy man can be struck down with this devastating illness. Dr. Michael Gallagher who’s book, Run Down, was very inspirational to me. Being a women who was very active, who loved running, swimming & hiking I would spend hours wondering what healthier choices I could have made to not end up so helpless in this bed, So yes, I very much enjoy the stories of those of us who took our health very serious & still are missing from our lives. Glad you are sharing success stories. Thank you.
Thanks Lori – that is such a great book. A blog covering it is coming up. He’s another one – a surgeon in great physical shape – gets absolutely creamed by this disease. Thanks for the reminder.
Hi Dave. Do you have links to Dr. Systrom’s findings that you are referring to?
Thanks
Thank you for sharing this Cort,
It’s nice to hear another angle in the Me/Cfs community
I appreciate Dr Heyman’s creativity and trying to think outside the box
I do think that the Shoemaker doctors can help their patients by suggesting things that have helped in addition to the protocol
Such as Erik style mold avoidance and speak more openly about patients experiences with the location effect which is very much a great part of the history of the CFS community as Erik and Lisa (paradigm.me) have dived into over the years on a macro level
Thank You
Thank you James for making the effort to reach out to Cort to inform the ME/CFS community. I’m so pleased that you’re on the road to recovery, and grateful that you’ve made the effort to reach out here. And thank you Cort for agreeing to publish his story.
Mold, sewer gases (and other unidentified toxic exposure from my workplace) are all key to my illness. But the other significant thing that I don’t see mentioned, and that kicked the whole thing off, was getting a flu vaccine while exposed to mold and unknown toxins at my workplace AND, as we later discovered, at my home. That immediately laid me low and I’ve never recovered since, eventually becoming largely bed-ridden. I’ve seen a few medical articles published acknowledging this connection, but I’ve yet to see any real research in this area, despite the numbers of ME/CFS patients who assert their illness started post-vaccine – many who acknowledge a connection to mold as well.
I’d also really like to take this space to acknowledge and commend three people (woops 3+ now), whose advice has helped me greatly, and who give of their time and hard-earned wisdom freely to help others in need:
1) Erik Johnson – whose information I dismissed for years because I only ever heard him vilified from almost every place on the net I encountered his name. His information is what has made the difference finally, and many (many) people owe him a debt of gratitude which is almost never acknowledged. Thank you Erik.
2) Lisa Petrison – who provides a home for the information about the practical things you need to know about mold, and allows a place for the voice of ACTUAL user experiences (positive and negative) that others can learn from. The knowledge about what others have found helpful or unhelpful – provided at no cost and expressed simply for people who’ve lost cognitive abilities – is invaluable. Thank you Lisa.
3) Corrine Segura (from MyChemicalFreeHouse.net) for her invaluable education on how to use ozone safely and effectively. This has been a revolutionary game-changer for me, and her information cuts through all the nonsense you read elsewhere, and has proved to be not just true, but practically true. Thank you Corrine. You rock!
4) The inventors and sellers of Concrobium. This stuff has probably been the biggest game changer for me – again I avoided it because it gets little credit and some disapproval in the larger mold community (or at least it used to). Using it at first made the crucial difference between me being able to get out of bed and start the journey, and wasting away completely. I’m beyond grateful to them.
There’ve been a few others I’d also need to acknowledge, but the above have literally made the difference between me continuing the spiral down towards death, and starting the turn around toward something resembling a life again – even if only a little at this point.
I do have to point out a negative: the mold community over the years (with the exception of the above) has been questionable, with most everything behind a paywall designed to pull funds away from badly ill people who can ill afford it, employing privacy invading information gathering, and using catastrophic language designed to inspire fear instead of hope. Sure everyone deserves to make a living but this has been true for many things that could have been easily provided free of charge just to get people started. The mold vision test, for one thing. It seems the mold community has attracted more than its share of hucksters (and worse?) which is one of the reasons I avoided Erik’s information for far too long.
Cort, I’m not sure if this is how to do this, but please pass my e-mail on to James, or let me know what I should do.
Thank you Cort and James for starting this conversation here. It may not provide all the answers for most of us, but it certainly help turn things around for many.
Hello Anne. Please contact Cort and have him provide my email to you
thx
Dr James
Thank you for your contributions here, Ann. I am new but I’ve already begun sharing about my vaccine injuries in other comments. As for Concrobium, is it still helping you? What is it, exactly?
In the interest of the science and progress of M.E you will no doubt be forthcoming with documentation of those brain scans and ICC type bloodwork and OI results from those 25 physicians to substantiate the claims and where may we look at them? Procrit appears to be missing from this contemporary shoemaker protocol ad. It is refreshing to see an anecdotal mold story without a neural retraining or ambiguous mind body rehabilitation attached. What is the current monthly cost of treatment? Thank you.
I would like to talk with the Doctor about my son who has been sick for 10 years
Suzanne, please contact Cort so he can provide my email to you
Thx
Dr James
Thank you so much James, Erik and Cort! An amazing story which has really struck me as here in the U.K. you never hear about toxic mould related illnesses…. I’ll bet every house has mould including mine and it’s normal. Do you know of any doctors or specialists working in this field based in the U.K.? I have symptoms in at least ten clusters and been sick for twenty years and am truly fed up with the lack of any treatment whatsoever. Thank you again for giving us hope for the future in untangling this complex disease.
Dr Sarah Myhill
https://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Mould_Sensitivity
Cort, you are wrong to denigrate Erik.
It’s clear that there hasn’t been enough definitive research to show the cause of the Tahoe outbreak one way or the other, but you misunderstand Erik’s theory. It’s not that the sole cause was mold. It’s that mold combined with a viral outbreak to make people more susceptible to the virus. Hip on phoenixrising calls this the “dual factor” theory and it makes a lot of sense. Geographical patterns where where virus spread in a fairly inconsistent way, being very contagious and bad within one building or block in Tahoe, then losing its potency outside that geographic region, show this as a strong candidate. The epidemiology of that outbreak and subsequent outbreaks has never been fully fleshed out. You can say this is a theory without evidence just bc nobody bothered to look into it, but it gels with everything we know about the disease. Even Dr Cheney late in his life said cirs and me/cfs may be the same thing.
The other thing you are missing is recent studies like the one “nanoparticle decoration impacts airborne fungal pathology” in the journal pnas, which validate Erik’s theories that nanoparticles from industrial pollution combine with mold to form a more potent /virulent toxin.
Additionally, I believe there was an abstract linking sick building syndrome to the lake Tahoe outbreak and there were teachers reporting something bad associated with what they thought was the air or copy toner within a break room. This is well documented. Now, is that enough evidence to totally scientifically validate a theory? Maybe not. But it’s surely enough evidence to look further, except nobody did.
And people like me are suffering bx of it. Outdoor toxins and indoor mold ruined my life, destroyed my spine etc. People tone police Erik but the smartest people in the me/cfs community have tried out his theories and gotten results, from Jen brea to Julie rehmeyer to Lisa petrison.
All of this is discussed on phoenixrising and other forums … I don’t know if you don’t see it bc of being in a different forum.
I stand by comments regarding Erik. It’s not denigrating Erik to report that he often causes angst and upset when he posts – it’s simply what happens. It’s not because of what he believes – it’s how he posts. I’m certainly not the first to point this out and other social media outlets have banned him from posting for the same reasons I’ve outlined.
Erik is fine to participate if he can avoid insulting other researchers and doctors – many of whom have dedicated their careers to understanding ME/CFS and similar diseases – and be flexible enough to accept others opinions.
Your comment, for instance, is just fine – you present a possible theory and you do so in an even-handed manner. That’s all we ask.
Jennifer. I would suggest you get in contact with a certified CIRS doctor here in the US and they can work with you via telemedicine. That would be the best rouute. I went with Dr Heyman since he is the world leading expert in this field. I wasted enough time and money on way too many other MD’s that only made me clinically decline further…
Bear in mind that up until 2019, “CIRS” was considered “probable mold illness” and virtually all Shoemaker certified doctors proceeded on that basis.
They used “mold tests” for a CIRS diagnosis.
In 2019, the failure of GENIE testing to affirm the role of mycotoxins caused a 100% reversal in Shoemakers focus.
Even to the extent of apologizing for titling his books “Mold Warriors” and “Surviving Mold”
He released videos saying that “obsessing about mycotoxins was a mistake made out of ignorance of other things that are more important”
He added a small “x” to his CIRS construct to denote the new emphasis on actinomycetes. “CIRSx”
Consequently there is “old CIRS” which was congruent with “mold illness” and “new CIRSx” where CIRS is “Not mold illness”
Be aware of this dramatic shift and scrutinize your CIRS doctors carefully. Many of them aren’t even aware that their old CIRS was completely wrong and still talk of CIRS as if it were the pre 2019 concepts.
I wish I had 10-20K to spend in order to get well. I was doing ok until I got diagnosed with Lyme. I think it tipped the bucket along with a lot of stress. At this point I’m fighting to stay alive and not give up. No quality of life and alone in this.
@ Erik, wow that is really interesting. I was diagnosed with CIRS via phone consults by Shoemaker in late 2019. Seems like that was a pivotal time for lots of things changing, like also the infamous BEG spray was suddenly just EDTA with no explanation. I was advised to test my home for Actino along with the Hertsmi and didnt know why I was having to spend the extra money on that test which was not really talked about anywhere on the website at the time. I only worked with him briefly into the next year as he was a complete jerk and would snap if I even asked a simple question. GENIE was briefly mentioned as an eventual option and this info makes sense now as when Ive talked to people more recently that have done it they all mention Actino is identified as the issue. Man I can’t even imagine that dude having to walk things back and apologize, I’m going to have to search that to believe it as that is definitely not in his DNA. What do you make of this based on your history with Mold? I struggle to even understand how the test would accurately be able to say Actino vs Mold etc
Erik, should we make sure to ask for a “CIRSx” test as opposed to just “CIRS”?
Louise Carder is a Shoemaker Certified Clinician in the UK!
A mold expert I spoke with about having my home in Seattle analyzed advised that mold reports will always come back positive because there is mold carried in the outside air and it will land throughout the home. He advised unless you can visibly see significant amounts of black mold, it is unlikely driving your health issue. I appreciated his
candor since basically he was telling me not to hire him to do a mold report. I thought the comment you make about mold in drains/sewer is interesting. Thank you very much for sharing your success story!
Unfortunately that advice is terribly wrong and mold/biotoxins can absolutely be driving health problems in buildings with no visible mold problem, in fact this is the case more often than not! Its a terribly misunderstood phenomenon which is at least one reason that its ignored by the greater medical community and very much under-diagnosed.
I read about the genie test and shoemaker protocol on the linked sites, but although they talk about peer reviewed studies, I can’t find any. Cort, do you know if any true peer reviewed, controlled studies have been done?
Cort, please provide all the peer review articles for Emily and others. There are many.
This sounds like me. I’m from Australia; any ideas about how I should progress here in Australia?
As I have suggested to others on my comments Damien – find a certified CIRS doctor via telemedicine. Heyman is the expert, however there are others as you can find on survivingmold.com (USA based – except Dr Hoffman in Canada). Hope this helps you out!
This is wonderful. Wish I had to resources to pursue this myself. Very happy for you James.
I believe mold was one of my triggers for ME/CFS. I remember looking into the Shoemaker protocol several years ago and it is certainly an enticing proposition, and well marketed.
However, at the time there seemed to be very little evidence or science supporting his. claims. I believe there were some very old published papers on his theory but no controlled studies (I may be wrong!).
It seems like a hell of a protocol to stumble on by experimentation…
Also no mention that Dr Shoemaker was reprimanded by Maryland board of medicine about his practices.
My feelings were I can’t spend thousands on something so unproven. Let’s hope there is more evidence forthcoming.
I hope that I am wrong and he is helping lots of people, as ever with ME it is very hard to tell when the science is nascent.
Most of the mold doctors drifted away from the Shoemaker protocol, saying they just aren’t seen the results.
Most of the ISEAI doctors are former “Shoemaker certified” doctors who became disenchanted with it.
I hope you’re not just passing unsubstantiated gossip, Erik. Heyman seems to be doing well and if you look across the web you’ll find lots of doctors still using his protocol. There was another patient on Health Rising who was doing great with his protocol Now we see James with his remarkable progress.
I would never think that one protocol would fit everyone. Haven’t had the experience of a doctor of mine having his office raided by someone associated with a medical board and temporarily shut down – I also don’t trust reprimands. I don’t know what it was about but I don’t generally trust them.
With regard to reprimands by medical boards, also worth remembering is that in the UK, Dr Sarah Myhill was summoned for a malpractice hearing by the General Medical Council (GMC): apparently reported by another General Practitioner (GP) for failing to follow GMC Guidelines in treatment for eg hypothyroidism. (She recommends eg much higher than usual iodine supplements, far in excess of “Guideline” amounts established long ago on a flawed basis.)
Dr Myhill, as author of “Diagnosis and Treatment of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Myalgic Encephalitis: It’s Mitochondria, Not Hypochondria!” is one of the few ME/CFS/FM specialists in the UK: who is also guilty of the crime of actually helping her patients get well.
She was defended at the “malpractice” hearing by a horde of grateful patients, angry at the accusation. And — unusually for such hearings — was not struck off the Medical Register. This episode has only helped her reputation for integrity.
Pretty sure it involved giving veterinary medicines to humans and that was one of several issues. Was not just a raid, he hasn’t had a license in many years which honestly kinda makes this article look bad
Thank you Dr. James and Cort! This is me to a T! After a severe viral illness and exposure to mold and glycophosphates I have been I’ll for 7 years now. I have issues with detoxing. I’ve cleaned up my home i.e. detoxed it. I have a safe room and have tried so many things and done so much research and have seen so many doctors. But I want more, I want to recover. I’m taking this information and I’m going to find a doctor who will treat me. I’ll probably be stopped by the expense of treatment and testing. I’ve spent everything I have and there’s nothing left.
Thank you for a little bit of hope!
Sara – I am so happy this info will help you! Let me know how things progress. Yes , CIRS is an expensive illness, not to mention the emotional toll on others and the suffering one goes through personally.
Dr James
Hi James and Cort,
thank you for sharing this story. It’s very interesting since I’ve lived in water damaged houses twice. Do you know of any doctors who know anything about this in the Netherlands by any chance?
Good luck to you both on all your endeavours of helping others.
Greetings, Esther Ankh
This sounds very interesting. I have at least symptom from 10 of the clusters. I wondered if you knew if this treatment was available in the UK (I’m in the UK), Europe, Australia, etc?
It sounds like what you, Erik Johnson, Lisa Petrison, and others are describing is an autoimmune illness analogous in a way to celiac disease where toxins from water damaged buildings are the antigens rather than gluten.
I would guess that at least some of the autoantibodies found in mold patients would overlap with those of ME/CFS patients, given the striking overlap between symptoms.
That made me wonder whether James had sent his blood to CellTrend in Germany, and if they had found any of the ME/CFS autoantibodies.
To be clear, I think an immune reaction to viruses and the microbiome could also generate autoantibodies found in ME/CFS and so I think that mold is only one trigger, albeit an often overlooked one.
If I were to test this hypothesis, I would examine whether toxins from water damaged buildings interfere with the adrenergic and cholinergic receptor function in a cell culture.
Yes, that seems like the logical way to proceed.
I asked the Open Medicine Foundation to do this but they are not interested in mold illness.
Hi Karen
Yes my previous doctors sent my blood to CellTrend. Eveything lit up positive with the ab’s. This is a finding common in CIRS patients, however my Stanford docs could not put the pieces of the puzzle together since they were stuck on CFS and MCAS, etc. Tragic for me being a doctor and a critically ill patient at the time. I could not even put the pieces together myself until now. I clearly see this now though…
007 M.D. on June 16, 2022 at 1:38 pm
Hi Karen
Yes my previous doctors sent my blood to CellTrend. Eveything lit up positive with the ab’s. This is a finding common in CIRS patients, however my Stanford docs could not put the pieces of the puzzle together since they were stuck on CFS and MCAS, etc. Tragic for me being a doctor and a critically ill patient at the time. I could not even put the pieces together myself until now. I clearly see this now though…
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Lisa Petrison and I gave Stanford and the newly emerging Open Medicine Foundation (an offshoot of Dr Andreas Kogelnik’s Open Medicine Institute) a full education on Mold at Ground Zero for CFS and Dr Shoemakers work ever since 2008.
If they were “stuck on CFS” one would think they should have “put the pieces together” and told you about it.
This seems to be the ultimate failure of the medical mind.
Doctors don’t conceive of the syndrome as having anything to do with what it was actually based on.
Well put Erik. I agree completely. A huge medical failure and so many are suffering…
I Have CIRS my dr is also dr Heyman. Im really close to remisin … really close after 12 years diagnosed of cfs and lyme.
4 years bedbound.
Im from Spain and I moving CIRS here. More doctors should know about it.
Fore the question is: is cfs actually cirs ????
Rocio. That is great news. Keep going!
Dr J
In Surviving Mold, Dr Shoemakers position was that CFS = CIRS.
But in his latest book “The Art and Science of CIRS” he reversed himself and says the CFS definition should be modified to specify that it is different that WDB “Water Damaged Building” illnesses.
Which is a logical impossibility, for the Sick Building Syndrome phenomenon is what the original CFS was based on.
Dr Shoemaker has set up a conflict and irreconcilable confusion by his altered position.
I can attest that the original CFS was indeed based on Sick Building Syndrome. I was there.
I am not prepared to accept vacillation and distortion from people who were in no way connected with the creation of the CFS syndrome.
Sick building syndrome phenomenon is what the original CFS was based on? I’ve been studying ME/CFS for decades and I’ve never come across that.
For one there is no original CFS – it certainly predates your experience with it. People were being diagnosed with neurasthenia – a virtual mimic of ME/CFS – long before you were around – and ME/CFS was clearly present long before the outbreaks in the US in the 80’s and those have always been assumed to be due to some pathogen sweeping across the US. Your experience in one very small part of the long ME/CFS saga means little in the grand scheme of things. What about the people Dr. Bell was treating londonville? He was a very smart diagnostician – he looked under every rock he could find. He dedicated the rest of his career to ME/CFS – and he never associated this disease with some sort of “mold outbreak”.
Before that the outbreaks were associated with pathogen (never identified) in the UK.
Basically you have to ignore all the studies that have demonstrated that a wide variety of infectious triggers – from EBV to Giardia to Ross River Virus to Coxsackie to SARS 1 to the present coronavirus – produce ME/CFS – you have to ignore ALL of that Erik – to assert that ME/CFS is caused by sick building syndrome.
Your point that mold can cause ME/CFS is not disputed by anyone that I know of. Nor does anyone I know of disagree that mold needs more research. Your stubborn insistence that mold is the only cause of ME/CFS, however, just gets in the way.
Hi Rocio,
Could you explain how you’re working with Dr. Heyman from Spain?
I’m from Germany and I would like to see Dr. Heyman, too. I have the money, but I’m very concerned about the logistics of everything. Did you fly to the US to initially see Dr. Heyman?
Thanks!
Tobias,
If Rocio does not get back to you, I can inform you that Dr Heyman does telemedicine. You do not need to fly to the U.S.
Also Dr Louise Carder in the U.K. can obtain all the testing for you such as Genie, etc. if needed
Hope this helps
Dr J
I am housebound with no access to one of the mold doctors. What type of local doctor might be amenable to ordering the GENIE test?
Hello Chris
You can have your primary doc order the Genie test and the initial lab biomarkers and see where you stand. However if it is indeed CIRS, then you will require a CIRS certified and trained MD to get you on the protocols. If one is not trained in CIRS, they tend to miss steps and the patient will not heal. It is imperative to follow the Shoemaker protocol with an integrative approach such as Heymans or others. Hope this helps.
Did you do the CIRS screening tool below Cort pasted and the VCS test?. If they are positive, then this is >95% CIRS case for you
Dr J
Hi Dr. J, I have maybe 7 of the clusters but only during PEM relapses. So most of the time, maybe 3.
Thanks again Cort. I love the idea of this series on recovery stories. Gives me a little hope. Dr Ron Davis recently talked about his scientist friend who recovered after doing everything she could to avoid PEM relapses for a year. She was convinced the relapses were making the disease continue. I would really like to know HOW she did it, and what science she was using to come to that conclusion. Would you consider interviewing her? I guess an active infection, like in this article, is something you would want to tackle first. But then there is the rest of the recovery…
Chris, can you provide a url to the talk?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9gccl4qHSI
He starts talking about it at 30:20
I would love to hear a story about the women who avoided PEM and recovered.
Hi Kathleen
We had a woman in the came to the ME/CFS phone group about 6 weeks back (I believe her name was Susan) who related her story. Its not quite a simple as just avoiding crashes. She evaluated everything she did and listened to her body as she made gradual progress to wellness and remission. I can’t remember what other tools she used in the process.
Kathleen; read my comment to Chris Pfeiffer on “ CFS Health” online program.
I am trying this protocol through “CFS Health” an Australian online program. They help people from 52 countries recover. The people working there have been sick with ME/CFS themselves. You can watch their free videos on YouTube. To see if it resonates with you. I just started their mentorship program. Exited to see if it helps after being housebound for 8 years.
I would love to interview her :). I’m as intrigued as you are.
Very interesting case report, thank you, James and thank you, Cort!
I would want to make a point that the assumption that this is *not* ME/CFS is a hypothesis as indeed ME/CFS patients are well known for several co-morbid conditions which do *not* rule out the diagnosis of ME/CFS. Also CIRS does not (yet) appear to be a fully defined entity in spite of the many biomarkers mentioned.
So let´s for a moment regard this case as a „normal“ case of ME/CFS. Could the treatment success also be explained from this vantage point?
Possibly yes.
The list of interventions that James received is long but does include two medications worthwhile to be discussed as to their potential influence on ME/CFS.
Vasopressin (ADH, desmopressin), for one, has been suggested long since as a possibly helpful drug for ME/CFS (see: Haavisto: Reviving the Broken Marionette) as there are indications of low ADH levels in ME/CFS and ADH may indeed help increase blood volume and thus help get better along with orthostatic hypotension. Paul Cheney has reportedly treated his patients with ADH. According to a nice study by Miwa (2017) the administration of oral ADH (desmopressin) on 5 consecutive days improved symptoms in half of the patients (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0914508716301204).
Losartan is another drug worth considering as there are indications that some of the regulatory turmoil in ME/CFS may be mediated through Angiotensin II and its receptor AT1R (details see in our recent publication (https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncel.2022.888232/full). The adrenergic hyperstimulation, for instance, may in part be related to an overactive ATII/AT1R system (which also may have influences on neuroinflammation). Losartan (and other sartans) may be able to „calm down“ AT1R activity (possibly independent of the presence of auto-antibodies against AT1R) and could thus influence the disease process. Interestingly, therapy with a sartan rhas been reported to be the mainstay of treatment in Germanys biggest Long Covid post vacc clinic (at the University of Marburg, run by Prof. Schieffer) and there are reports in the German press about good treatment results.
So, I am writing this to suggest that some of the treatments that James received may have had an effect even if his case was „just“ good old ME/CFS.
Also I am writing this to suggest, we should systematically evaluate the drugs mentioned!
Hello Herbert. Thank you for the kind comments and great info.
Yes, I was on desmopressin (2 week course) which normalized my ADH/osm blood levels and resolved all urinary symtpoms. It retrains the brain so to speak. I am on losartan 12.5mg daily which decreases the TGF-B1 which was 16,000 in my case. See all details below (sorry for the long comment here)
thanks
Dr James
Neurotoxicity in CIRS and Lyme-complex illness patients often have low to below detection threshold AVP/ADH levels with resultant increased serum osmolality [too concentrated and “thick”]. Patients typically complain of increased thirst, dry mouth and frequent urination of typically clear urine. Salt levels in blood rises as you loose free water due to lack of ADH mediated reabsorption in the kidneys. Sweat will have increased sodium/chloride [exceeding cystic fibrosis] with resultant generation of static electricity and static shocks. Serum hyperosmolality with resultant cellular osmotic dehydration coupled with inadequate perfusion can cause headache/migraines, cramps in especially the legs and feet. Lab testing and findings may include low normal to below detection threshold ADH/AVP, high normal to high serum osmolality. In order to enable better hydration, the pharmaceutical analogue of ADH, desmopressin may be used with caution. Desmopression / DDAVP 0.2mg every other night for two weeks. Retesting every two weeks: ADH and osmolality and serum sodium – over-treating or over-hydration will cause both to be low. Weigh every few days to detect any weight gain, check hands and feet for edema from water retention.
TGF-B1 is an important and frequently encountered marker of biotoxin illness. It has regulatory functions in many immune pathways and tissues. It is involved in development, proliferation, angiogenesis, regulation of inflammation, extracellular matrix production, protease activity and apoptosis. TGF-B1 has a bipolar action in that it both suppresses ongoing immune responses and also drives an over active innate response. It depresses the function of innate cells like NK cells. TGF-B1 impairs normal T-regulatory cell function. T-reg cells help to prevent auto-immunity, therefore elevated TGF-B1 suppresses protective immune mechanisms. TGF-B1’s lowering of CD4+CD25++ Treg cells lead to the formation of pathogenic effector T-cells which induces release of more TGF-B1. This enhances the Th 17 response by differentiating naive T cells into IL 17 secreting Th 17 cells. The Th 17 response leads to loss of recognition of self and increased development of autoantibodies, it is strongly associated with inflammatory disorders. TGF-B1 affects DNA replication; epithelial to mesenchymal transformation (fibrosis in the lung mostly, also in kidney and liver); and is associated with alopecia. TGF- B1 stimulates production of types I and IV collagen and fibronectin, stimulates calcium ion influx into cells and also fibrosis where tissue cells differentiate into fibroblasts. TGF-B1 is implicated in connective tissue disorders like Marfan’s syndrome and Ehlers Danlos type III. 9A study of vasogenic brain edema and blood brain permeability linked TGF-B1 to increased MMP-9 in a dose dependent manner. Reducing TGF-B1 reduced blood brain permeability.8 In pulmonary arterial hypertension and pulmonary fibrosis, TGF-B1 mediates both the vascular and fibrotic changes. It is associated with disease progression in chronic conditions. TGF-B1 is cleared from circulation by the liver. The HLA haplotypes 4-3-53 and especially 11-3-52B typically has high levels of TGF-B1.2, 4,6,7,8,15,16,17 The two treatment options for elevated TGF-B1 is oral losartan [with minimal blood pressure lowering effects in most cases at 25mg twice per day] or the use of VIP nasal spray. Losartan is started at 12.5mg per day, and increased to 25mg twice per day per day if tolerated well. A metabolite of losartan called EXP 3179 lowers TGF-B1. In an animal model of exercise induced myocardial injury leading to fibrosis, Losartan reduced mRNA expression for TGF-B1 to control levels and prevented coronary arteriole medial thickening, perivascular and myocardial fibrosis.
How much Olmasartan did they take to help recovery?
Herbert, Erik, James et al:
when I first learned of hEDS, I started seeing it everywhere around me. Then I learned of ME/CFS, and I saw it everywhere aroud me too.
I don’t know what to call this anymore. I can tell you that it is behind every degenerative disease.
It’s hEDS when the joints are extra bendy. But beware that MANY with hypermobility don’t become miserably sick, they actually thrive and make a very good living thanks to it (in the sports, dance and music fields). It’s Lupus when… it shows up in a test that this particular marker is high. But not always, because you don’t need those markers for diagnosis. It’s rheumatoid arthritis when the joints are swollen. There is a type of scleroderma without skin manifestation but yes on internal fibrosis of organs. People whose blood glucose is high but ‘mysteriously’ are not fat, get a totally new form of diabetes – type 4.
Etc etc etc
My diagnosis can change by the day/week/month/year
There is a general quality of being sick that we all seem to share.
I think the fixation on a finite diagnosis comes from the idea of one treatment for each disease. Where does that originate, when did society/culture start seeing things this way?
Older medical traditions saw many ways to heal a person.
It reminds me of divide and conquer…
We get all these internal wars, of what name should a disease have, of what works, of what caused it, etc.
Somehow, we turn against others who are as sick and unserved and harmed by the medical systems as much as us.
Will you wonder about who we should really be fighting against?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW0x9_Q8qbo&t=650s
CFS and the CDC’s Failure to Respond: Primetime Live (1996)
This is a Primetime Live news piece on chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) from 1996. It covers the sudden U.S. outbreaks in the 1980s and the CDC’s lack of response. Discussion includes Dr. Paul Cheney, Dr. Daniel Peterson, Dr. David Bell, Elaine DeFreitas, Hillary Johnson, and Osler’s web.
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During the 1985 Lake Tahoe Mystery Disease outbreak, nobody could make any sense of it. Dr Cheney and Dr Peterson called the CDC for help, but the CDC epidemiologists Jon Kaplan and Gary Holmes were equally baffled.
Not even Dr Komaroff the researcher from Harvard seemed to have any ideas. He was fixated on EBV to the point of being uninterested in anything else.
Clearly what hit us was a contagious flu-like illness but there were environmental clues as well. Why were there clusters in two high schools and a casino?
Since I had worked in the casino, been to both of those schools, I knew them to be “Sick Buildings”. I told this to Dr Cheney who reported it to the newspapers and told other researchers about it, but they were totally focused on finding a viral cause.
I had experience with toxic mold prior to the Tahoe flu, yet it appeared at the time that I was the only one with any awareness of it. I felt an obligation to make sure researchers knew, so they could clear up this mystery as quickly as possible.
I explained that if exposure to these sick buildings made such a difference that this determined who became chronically ill, as opposed to recovering from that virus, it made the sick buildings a critical co-factor worthy of study.
As told in Dr Ritchie Shoemakers books “Mold Warriors” and “Surviving Mold” Chapters 23 and 17,
“Mold at Ground Zero for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome”, I only agreed to assist Dr Cheney in starting this “new syndrome” so I could tell researchers about the toxic mold factor.
Unfortunately, no researchers ever came back to find out about it.
The confusion about these clusters remains to this very day.
Is it just mold Erik? SOmeone on one of your Youtube videos commented that she had lived in three very dry places with no mold, and yet had not recovered.
My words to Dr Cheney were “I have an inexorably increasing reactivity to mold that grows worse no matter where I live”
Dr Cheney said that this is even more reason to find the viral cause of this extreme sensitivity. I suggested that since I was observing this same increase in mold reactions in others, we were going to have millions of people complaining about mold. This would be an outward sign that his viral cause is spreading fast, and serve as a wake up call to the world.
Since the anti viral therapies weren’t doing much, I embarked on a strategy of devising ways to avoid mold to the best of my ability.
I was shocked to get better results than anything that doctors were getting with their therapies.
From my pov, that makes it worth looking into, regardless of who recovers or who does not.
There are over 40 biotoxins that have been discovered. 42% is actinomycetes, 10% or less is mold, the other is a fragment of a microorganism. This data is quite new. In my case it was the actinos batceria. Most households carry actinos, on dust particles. I have the genetic susceptibility to it, not mold in my case.
So Dr Shoemaker intends to use actinos to erase the toxic mold evidence?
One would think people might find it a bit odd that the author of Mold Warriors and Surviving Mold has reversed himself so much that he is attempting to “evaporate” the mold phenomenon.
At the very least, this matter deserves discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHGzKsKbbMQ
San Diego Toxic Mold Story: Sick Schools
I just wanted to post some info regarding some of the most common biotoxins
Knowledge is power and patients have the right to understand what is making them sick, so they can avoid exposure in the future.
Please see below
Thank you
Dr James
Fungi (fun�ji) – A single-celled or multicellular organism. Fungi can be true pathogens that cause infections in healthy persons or they can be opportunistic pathogens that cause infections in immunocompromised persons.
Bacteria (bak-tēr�e-ah) – Single-celled microorganisms which can exist either as independent (free-living) organisms or as parasites (dependent upon another organism for life).
Actinomycetes – A group of gram-positive bacteria (order Actinomycetales) that produce various bioactive agents.
Mycobacteria [mī′kōbaktir′ē�ə] – A large family of bacteria that have unusually waxy cell walls that are resistant to digestion.
Mold (mōld) – Mold refers to multiple types of fungi that grow in filaments and reproduce by forming spores. Mold may grow indoors or outdoors and thrives in damp, warm, and humid environments. Mold can be found in essentially any environment or season.
The most common types of mold that are found indoors include Cladosporium, Penicillium, Alternaria, and Aspergillus. Stachybotrys chartarum (also known as Stachybotrys atra and sometimes referred to as “black mold”) is a greenish-black mold that can also be found indoors. Stachybotrys grows on household surfaces that have high cellulose content, such as wood, fiberboard, gypsum board, paper, dust, and lint.
Molds reproduce by forming tiny spores that not visible to the naked eye. Mold spores are very hardy and can survive under conditions in which mold cannot grow, such as in dry and harsh environments. These spores travel through outdoor and indoor air. When mold spores land on a surface where moisture is present, mold can start to grow.
Spore (spor) – tiny spores that are not visible to the naked eye produced by mold. Mold spores are very hardy and can survive under conditions in which mold cannot grow, such as in dry and harsh environments. These spores travel through outdoor and indoor air. When mold spores land on a surface where moisture is present, mold can start to grow.
Mycotoxins (mī′kōtok′sin) – toxic chemicals that are present on spores and small fragments of mold and fungus that are released into the air.
Endotoxins (en′dōtok′sin) – also called Lipopolysaccharides (LPS), are cell wall components of Gram negative bacteria. They are shed into the environment of WDB upon death of the bacteria. LPS cause inflammatory responses via signaling pathways in the body, releasing inflammatory cytokines. LPS aggravate existing lung disease (asthma, HP), can cause inflammation of the lungs and are synergistic with mycotoxins.
Inflammagens (in-flam�ah-jen) – an irritant that elicits both edema and the cellular response of inflammation
Beta Glucans (beta-glucans) – are polysaccharides of D-glucose monomers linked by β-glycosidic bonds. β-glucans are a diverse group of molecules that can vary with respect to molecular mass, solubility, viscosity, and three-dimensional configuration.
Hemolysins – exotoxins produced by bacteria that cause lysis of red blood cells in vitro.
Microbial Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) – Microbes can release organic compounds into the air when there is adequate food supply for such “secondary metabolite” production. These volatile compounds, called mVOCs for short, can give basements their distinctive musty odor as well as activate innate immune responses in susceptible patients. While we think of fungi as the most common producers of mVOCs, bacteria and actinomycetes are indoor-producers as well.
Be aware that actinomycetes have been extensively studied for over a hundred years.
They are used as the basis for many antibiotics, antifungals and many other useful compounds.
Toxic mold has not, and in fact, was only discovered as a human health hazard in 1985.
Concurrently with the illness entity that “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome” was coined to solve.
As Dr Gary Holmes stated, the purpose of the syndrome was to find something new “Something we might not even be looking for”
Toxic mold qualifies under the tenets and purpose of a new syndrome.
There is no reason to attempt to “undiscover” toxic mold and remove it from consideration.
Especially not when that attempt to erase evidence appears designed to keep the “CFS” issue in confusion.
How much would this protocol and testing cost?
How much do you got?
LOL spot on there !!!!! LOL
While some people undoubtedly have some mold reactivity or a sub-infectious process of some kind, this mostly sounds like another one of those “grab your money” things, pretty sketchy overall. With any of these “sort-of” scams, the best thing to consider is if it were really the “answer” for the majority with ME/CFS, we’d have heard about it already from people who were like 90% cured, etc. Until you start hearing that from a large number of people, just do sensible things and try to stay afloat until a real treatment comes around. Don’t go on wild goose chases giving away your time, energy, and resources for all kinds of elaborate “testing” because one person claims they got “sort of better, but still can’t walk much” etc. It’s usually a scam. When there’s a real answer, we’re all likely to know sooner rather than later.
How many times do doctors and researchers need to hear the same “mold clue” before they cease arguing and just look into it?
Back in 1986 I thought it would take perhaps a dozen more.
Events have shown that not even a million times will be sufficient.
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Onset: Part II (Mold damage)
Continued from Onset: Part I (Viral onset)
It was 2008. I was living in Beijing. I’d just changed house, moving into a room that had opened up in an apartment a friend was renting. Because I’d been in Africa for two months, I moved in sight unseen. It was a very old building in a very old hutong. In that neighborhood was a rhythm of life that was rapidly disappearing and probably now gone entirely. I loved it. Moving to that apartment, however, would turn out to be the most serious mistake I have ever made in my life.
The room smelled faintly like a damp, old towel. At first, I didn’t pay it much attention. Someone had actually left some old towels in the closet. “That must be it,” I thought. I stuffed them in a plastic bag and threw them away. A few days later, the smell had still not dissipated, so I emptied out the entire closet. I opened up every window so the January air could waft the smell away. “Mission accomplished,” I thought.
A few days later, the smell was still there. I had no idea where it was coming from, but it was driving me crazy. I isolated it to the back of the bedroom closet and decided maybe if I just kept the door closed, it would be okay. Over time, the smell only seemed to grow stronger. Then one night, it became overpowering. I took a hammer to the drywall. It cracked and fell away in chunks. Behind the drywall it was pitch black, mold (likely Stachybotrys chartarum) spreading in every direction.
Cort and James, I appreciate this info so much, and am glad you are getting better James!
I had to stop working as an account mgr at age 52 within a week of falling ill. I was moving up in my company, an even running circles around many younger colleagues. I was an athlete and the picture of health prior to that. I was able to go on partial disability, and my income dropped by 65%. That was very difficult. It happened 13 years ago, and I am now on 100% disability. Financially, things are easier with careful budgeting, no extras, no travel, etc etc. My history is very common among those with ME. “Milions Missing” is an apt term for much of our group.
Good quality supps and the product MitoSynergy and a healthful diet have helped. I also moved to a dry climate and live at over 5K feet altitude. It has helped. With current inflation, I have had to give up most supps and Mito, and I am feeling it. Hoping if the situation changes I can start back on those things.
I hope your progress continues, James, and look forward to hearing of your further improvement and involvement in the ME community.
Many of us can not afford the GENIE test or the various supps, meds, medical care etc that are often needed. It’s just how it is.
Yes it is. It’s so unfortunate that insurance companies (I pay a lot for insurance!) won’t cover these things. A world of opportunity is lost because of that. Good luck with your finances and health. Glad you found a healthier place to live.
I realize that no one is interested in CFS history, but for the record, Dr Stephen Straus got into a huge debate with Dr Paul Cheney over the wet-climate vs. dry climate clue.
Dr Cheney had no interest at all.
It is possible that if Straus had gotten his way, it would have been the infamous Straus who would have been the first to discover the role of mold in the mystery disease.
As it happened, I proceeded to figure it out without any help at all.
Story is in Dr Shoemakers books, if anyone cares to read it.
Hello RivkaC,
Thank you for your kind comments and sharing a bit about yourself and struggles.
I am so sorry to hear about your health issues. I do hope you find a way and the correct path to healing. You deserve it. I will let you know when I am up an running with my medical practice and perhaps we can check in on you and see where you are at.
Dr James
Hi RivkaC
I had not heard of Mitosynergy, so I looked it up. You can take the same supplements by taking more pills by buying them separately. Its baically B-Vitamins, NAC, and COQ10 and not even in very high dosages. I like Life Extension as I trust their quality, the prices are good and if you sign up for their membership, they deliver free for the first year and you don’t charge you for the membership till year 2. Let me know if you are interested and I can put together a list to mimic MitoSynergy for less.
I would like to see the supplement list equivalent of MitoSynergy, please.
Exactly. Most of us can’t even afford the standard COL , housing, food etc and many of us don’t have anyone else to live with us and help us 24/7. I’m happy this dude feels somewhat better but meh. I’d have to live in a homeless tent camp and still not be able to afford this whole thing above let alone many other protocols coming from 1000’s of people who have, I HAVE THE ANSWER protocols.
can you please explain why altitude matters?
higher altitudes are dryer.
Hello all,
I am attaching a link here that is a visual break down of biotoxin illness/CIRS. It is an easy to read PDF format and explains things clearly so you can graps the whole picture about the innate immune system, the effects on the brain and NeuroQuant imaging etc. It happens to be from Dr Jodie Dashore’s website. I have no connections with her, but her explanation of everything is complete for the most part.
https://aonm.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Dr.-Dashore-Presentation-AONM-Conference-November-2018.pdf
thx
Dr James
I expect there will come a day when researchers reach a point where they are forced to wonder if there is any relationship between Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and CIRS.
When that day comes, they can crack open Dr Shoemakers books and learn about “Mold at Ground Zero for CFS”
Then they will know.
And perhaps ask how it can be that no CFS researchers ever looked into the origin of the syndrome.
Again, well explained Erik. Thx
I think it is going to take a bit more time (they only have had , what 30 years!) Ha
Geez. Tragic
Erik
Can you shed some light upon Jen Brea for me and her current health status. Was she diagnosed with “CFS”? Is she even aware of biotoxin illness/CIRS, treatment protocols and objective biomarkers parameters and the Genie test etc.? thx
Dr J
The doctors and people with a CFS diagnosis got tired of the stigma from that name and simply substitute ME.
As I recall, Jen Brea got a pseudo ME diagnosis from Dr Derek Enlander back in 2011.
She announced her intention to make a documentary and call it “Canary in a Coal Mine”. In the course of gathering material for CiaCM she came to Incline Village in June 2014 where I gave her and her husband Omar an education on how toxic mold started the CFS syndrome.
But not the ME syndrome.
She and Omar did a trial run of “mold avoidance” in Moab Utah and found it to be beneficial. She became a mold avoider at that time.
Changed the name of her documentary to Unrest, became a “ME advocate” but wasn’t too interested in telling people about the mold factor or CFS history.
Then found she has CCI CranioCervical Instability. Got surgery for that.
The “ME is caused by a virus” people find had enough of what they consider to be an interloper taking over control of ME and fought her until she lost interest in being a ME advocate.
I heard she tweaked her neck and had a major CCI setback.
But in 2014 when I made her a mold avoider, it took two solid days of explaining. She had only heard rumor of this from Julie Rehmeyer.
I don’t know what she is up to these days.
WOW, thank you for that info Erik
I may send her an email on her website
Dr J
Jen Brea has something unique on video.
The exact moment of her mold epiphany was recorded.
The instant it sank that contamination ON Omar from his house was making her sick.
She screamed “I THOUGHT I WAS REACTING TO YOU”
Omar was screaming “YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE REACTING TO ME”
I go “You see? It was the mold ON Omar, and he can wash it off”
It would be something if she were to release that footage.
It is very compelling.
“The “ME is caused by a virus” people find had enough of what they consider to be an interloper taking over control of ME and fought her until she lost interest in being a ME advocate.”
I sincerely doubt this is true. Unless you’ve actually spoken to her I don’t think you would know her reasons. I would be shocked that Jen Brea would give up the leadership of ME Action because of a few nasty people – even if she did, and I don’t believe for a minute that she did – I doubt she would ever say so publically.
I guess you missed all the UK ME advocates saying CCI does not match the Ramsay definition for ME.
Too late for you to question what has already happened.
I believe Jen Brea was exactly as sick as she said but that is not exactly what ME was coined for.
Please stop quibbling with the facts.
And now I hear that Jen Brea has gone missing.
According to Omar she had some kind of mental episode at Miami airport and didn’t board her flight. That was two days ago and there has been no word from her since.
It’s really a reach to assert that mold caused Jen’s CCI. Of course, it’s possible – but we just don’t know. We have to leave that open.
Sorry to hear about Jen. I didn’t know. Her struggles with ME/CFS/CCI were so monumental, one would have hoped she would have had health and peace after all she’s been through.
You’ll have to argue that with Jen.
As she said in her Onset Blog, once she learned what it was that gave her that sensation, it was no great mental feat to realize this is what began her descent into disease.
She asked Dr Ron Davis to investigate this, but he ignored her.
Of course, we all know, Erik that Jen tried many things including mold avoidance and the only thing that really worked was surgery. The fact that the surgery stopped her hypersensitivities suggested that it was the CCI that was causing them – not the mold.
According to Omar, Jen has been found.
#MEAction Network
@MEActNet
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Update: Jen has been found and is safe. Thank you for spreading the word, and acting so quickly. We are so relieved with this news and now we ask for privacy for Jen and Omar. Thank you for your love and for your swift response. ❤️❤️❤️ #findjen #MissingPerson
Dr. James, Jen Brea says she met the diagnostic criteria for not just CFS but ICC-ME and Ramsey ME. She says she was diagnosed by multiple experts. See “Do you have ICC-ME and other FAQs” on her Medium account.
See “Onset: Part II (Mold damage),” also on her Medium account, regarding biotoxins.
Some links to published studies would be very helpful. I have symptoms from six clusters and would like some peer reviewed sources to provide to my integrative GP here in Australia, so we can determine if worthwhile pursuing.
I have emailed the most helpful peer review studies to Cort so he can provide them. There are about 15 that covers quite a bit. They should be up soon. Your primary doctor can at least get the biomarkers going for you as a baseline
Thx
Dr J
Thanks but I believe that waiting for a plausible reason to even raise this with my Dr is the better course of action.
We’ve seen quite a few n = 1 stories about somewhat recovered PWMEs that haven’t lead to benefit for many/any others. Without high quality study design, peer-reviewed research and the prospect of returning to a productive life, this is all just noise.
Hopefully Cort can post those links soon.
Here is a link to a Heyman discussion on his protocol. It is 3.25 years old so some of his ideas have changed, but the overall treatment plan steps stay largely the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsY123rGjz4
Thanks Dr James, I am glad to hear you are improving.
Cort, please share my email address with 007.
I have been dealing with this illness for 30+ years and in many different formats. Each time, its like starting over with a different illness. I completely recovered the first time from what I believe would had been classified as post-viral mono fatigue. Each time stress has been the number 1 factor in triggering my illness. I believe mycotoxins play a key role but I think it might not be as simple as pointing to actinomycetes as another key instigator. Viruses, Mold, Bacteria, Metals, Chemical Toxins can all play a role, so you have to try and address everything. Also, I think biofilms and the overall homeostasis of the microbiome from nose to anus gets disrupted for some of us and realigning that while treating all of the other issues may prove the way to better health. My last recovery (30% to 75%) before this current crash was aided by a Fecal Matter Transplant.
Hi Chris
Thank you for connecting and sharing your personal accounts. You have been through quite a bit for sure. Your comments are quite validated. Have Cort provide my email to you so we can discuss further.
007
Hi Chris, curious about your experience with FMT. I’ve jumped from mild to severe over the course of 3 weeks after EBV reactivation (bedbound and even having trouble typing this due to muscle cramping/shaking), and wondering if this could be a helpful measure towards restoring gut immunity. I’m in the states and know FMT are hard to get unless someone has suspected c.diff. How did you go about finding a doner/receiving the treatments?
Hello Sarah
Have you had a chance to see if you meet criteria for CIRS?
Do you have isolated gut dysbiosis or many other symptoms?
If you possibly have CIRS, then treating the gut first by FMT will NOT resolve the underlying condition. The underlying condition requires to be treated initially, then followed by the gut treatment protocols throughout via an integrative approach
There is a method to the madness, and that is why the strict protocol is adhered to and the body actually heals in a coordinated fashion.
One cannot jump steps or leave out steps, otherwise the patient will not recover – this can be detrimental to the patient
Hope this makes sense
thx
Dr J
Hi Sarah,
First, in the US, unless you have C-Diff, you have to do it yourself. There are various videos online and the thepowerofpoop.com is a good resource. Finding a donor, especially, when you don’t have the energy to leave the house is very, very hard. I was lucky in that I had a good friend who had a 17 year old son who was competing on the wrestling team. His father, drove the poop from his house to me which was a 45 minute drive. Since then, I have moved and have no friends where I live now. When I have periods of feeling somewhat better, I have tried going to local gyms and talking to people who look young and healthy, but its like trying to sell sand in the Sahara dessert. I have been mentally working on how to put together a brochure and/or website to try and recruit people, but its hard to do that. Also, to do it properly requires a several month commitment for the donor and money on your part to test there stool. Likewise, you have to have a complete and honest health history from them including sex habits, stool habits, drug use, illnesses, anti-biotic use, etc..
As far as EBV, if your blood pressure is oK, you may want to look into Spirnolactone as an adjunct therapy.
Chris. The answer to your — and many if not most of our — health issues is IN YOUR COMMENT above, where you ask Cort to share your email w/007.
I’m replying to your comment because you are like me, and I believe 90% of the people on these forums, and others out in the metaverse. You’ve tried this, you’ve tried that, you’ve worked on your gut, on environmental factors, you’ve worked with famous docs who at the time sounded like they had reasonable hypotheses, but then moved on when their protocols didn’t work. Like the infamous Paul Cheney, or Shoemaker, or Ken Lassesen, or, or, or…and on and on and on. Or this supplement, then that one, then — oh, you need this one to work with that one! I’ve done exactly the same thing for 24 years.
We move on to another, and then another, and another protocol or supplement — all the while AVOIDING THE MOST IMPORTANT factor.
As you said above: “Each time stress has been the number 1 factor in triggering my illness.”
BINGO. Many would argue 90-95% of all chronic illness is a result of being stuck in fight of flight or freeze, as a result of a wide variety of different types of stressors, but mostly subconscious ones we may not even be aware of.
Some call this limbic system impairment, but whatever the term, brain or neural retraining is THE answer. You don’t have to buy any program, but I do recommend joining the ‘Neural Retraining Friends’ group on Facebook.
There you’ll find dozens of people who have completely recovered from a myriad of chronic conditions, but especially ME/CFS, CIRS, mold, fibro, etc., etc.. There are many, many more on various youtube channels as well. People who ended up living in their cars, or in EMF-free housing, convinced those were the only safe places left for them.
In fact, it was their negatively wired neural circuitry that convinced them, not reality.
Even Cort featured a woman who got so sick she was wheelchair and housebound, yet she recovered.
https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2020/01/05/christines-dnrs-chronic-fatigue-recovery-story/
Good luck Chris. Hope to see you and hear about your recovery.
In reference to RivkaC’s comment about “Millions Missing”, can someone help me get my story out there? This needs to be released to the community and reach many as we have done here on HR thus far thanks to Cort’s amazing work and intense interest in my case.
Thx
Dr J
FROM: JAMES’ FATHER
Thank you for writing the story of James’ recovery likened to the legendary bird Phoenix as it has been a long time waiting for this day. There were times that I would travel to Santa Barbara to see him only to be turned away, and when my daughter was found dead by her fiancé, James was too sick to comprehend it.
Thanks to your blog, this emotional story of recovery may give others the hope and direction that they need. James’ vector toward improvement came about surprisingly quick and he continues to improve daily. Some of the dreams that I put aside, like walking on the beach; salmon fishing in Maine and skiing the Wasatch with my son have suddenly been resurrected. Cort, I speak for many when I say that your work is an important inspiration to all.
Thanks! Just the fact that someone can be so ill and get so much better suggests that there’s hope for everyone who has the means to keep trying new things. It’s amazing, as well, that once James got on the right path his improvement came quickly. Our bodies are clearly very resilient and capable of being healthy again if they’re given the right opportunity. That’s encouraging!
There have been some questions from people looking for help in Australia
I am including a link to Sean’s story who also suffered from a long-term chronic fatiguing illness. After seeing multiple doctors and almost losing his life he fortunately discovered that it was CIRS/biotoxin illness —from mold in his case. I believe there are some links that may be useful on his website.
https://toxicmould.org/the-good-news-is-your-illness-isnt-real-seans-story/
Dr J
That is awesome James!
Up from the ashes… hope will arise (as the song goes) 🙂
Any information on non-biological substances maybe causing similar reactions to the body? I am an ME/CFS patient with MCS-like sensory hypersensitivity, i.e. reactions to lots of chemical vapours and airborne substances such as laundry fragrance.
In the Exposing Mold Podcasts, Alicia Swamy, Kealy Severson and I explain how toxic mold exposure led to MCS.
And how mold avoidance reduced or even removed chemical reactivities entirely.
We also explain how toxic mold started “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome” and not a single doctor or researcher figured this out.
Mostly because none of them ever bothered to look into the origin of this syndrome.
https://exposingmold.com/podcast/
The origin of ME/CFS? It didn’t start at Incline Village. It’s been around under different names (neurasthenia) among others for a long, long time before that. I don’t see any reason to go back to the start of one outbreak when people are coming down with this disease all the time. What gives one or five or whatever outbreaks that occurred decades ago precedence over the people who are getting sick now?
Besides we know that an ME/CFS-like condition can be triggered by many pathogens, by exposure to all sorts of toxins, and by mold and are probably other factors we haven’t identified yet.
I’ve been camping out for almost ten years now with basically no exposure to the mold found in buildings and it hasn’t made any difference.
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome VERY much started in Incline Village.
A DIRECT RESULT of new evidence found by Dr Cheney and Peterson.
Not known in the literature and not found in ME or any prior name.
Because they used new tests.
A new syndrome had to be coined.
I think people in the UK with their long history of ME might have a disagreement with you there, Erik. 🙂
If one is paying attention, the Toxic Mold Illness described quite well in Osler’s Web.
Although not described as such by confused CFS researchers, even the hints of recovery by avoidance are clear to be seen by those who understand.
I’m looking forward to revisiting the origin of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome to debrief researchers, to try and understand how they bungled this investigation so badly.
Hi JR
Absolutely yes. The Genie test looks at the Ikaros gene. If that gene is faulty such as overly expressed or suppressed then one has a greater than 85% that they are hyper sensitive to environment, chemicals, foods, supplements etc. Also if you look at my list above of the potential biotoxins it has others listed
My Ikaros was overly expressed.
It is a bit more complex than this but perhaps this will shed some light
There is no other good parameters or strong data that supports chemical and environmental sensitivities such as Genie. Complete GENOMICS. Not genetics.
Dr J
Thank you Cort and thank you Dr. J for your story. Our son who is now 19, fell ill 6 years ago at 13/14. A gifted, social, athletic student, he could not attend high school and “tested out.” He has medical care through UCLA pediatrics. He was diagnosed with AMPS (amplified pain in chest), POTS (dysautonomia through tilt table testing etc.), chronic fatiguing type illness (probable ME/CFS), probable MCAS, potential PANS/PANDAS (acute neurologic response to pathogen “unknown”), suspect unknown pathogen “viral”, H pylori (treated with 3x treatment). UCLA physicians could not find the root cause of illness so we had to treat symptoms. This treatment greatly improved our quality of life but we felt that our son continued to become sicker.
We too have met with many physicians, tried various treatment protocols, worked with Stanford etc. We’ve used a “pronged” approach: where we mitigate symptoms as much as possible, yet we continued to seek out the root cause.
In early 2020, we began working with Dr. Heyman. Our son was exposed to water damaged building with high actinomycetes which we mitigated. Following Dr. Heyman’s systematic protocol, our son has gradually improved. We are currently treating for SIBO (recurrence of H Pylori infection/SIBO). Our son will be starting VIP soon. Our son is very medication and “treatment” sensitive; therefore, we have worked very slowly.
We would like to connect to Dr. J. With your experience and background in medicine and sports fitness, we are interested in the best way to increase our son’s mental/physical activities without going outside his envelop and triggering PEM (post exertional malaise). We are hopeful! We looked at going to WorkWell and have communicated with their team. (Again thank you Cort for your information on this).
Thank you Cort and many of the members of this group who have been so generous with information and support. I don’t usually post but I read and try to learn from all of you. Our hope is one day, my son and I will be able to share his success story.
Hello Kintsugi
First and foremost, my heart goes out to you, your son and the rest of your family.
CIRS is such a challenging disease process to go through – with such an emotional and financial tolI on the patient and family members.
I felt like I was reading a story about myself again. I too was admitted into UCLA for 4 days with an extensive workup and discharged with no root cause and only symptomatic treatment.
I am delighted to hear you have connected with Dr Heyman and have finally discovered the ROOT cause and your son is on his integrative treatment Shoemaker protocol approach
Be patient, CIRS does not heal overnight! I am sure you know this by now. Work with the process and the protocol and I am more than confident that your son will have his life back and will provide his story here on Health Rising.
It is very normal in CIRS patients to have reactions to supplements, food, medications, chemicals, etc. This gets more than better, it resolves.
I know the Universe puts us in situations or ‘lets’ things happen to us for a reason. There is always a reason. The reason is to learn something about ourselves – and sometimes its to find a new path.
Your son will go through the muck to come out on the otherside a more evolved man. I am sure he feels cheated out of life as a teenager, but he will bounce right back into life again and pick up where he left off.
Some thoughts below:
Stepping in as a doctor here – there is so much suffering out there. I see it all the time and here on Health Rising. People grasping for answers and treatments. It does not have to be that way. We are all in this together and that is why I provided this info to reach many.
There are so many people with stories such as myself, Kintsugi’s son, Whitney Dafoe, James Strazza in New Jersey, and Olivia Farabaugh a singer who was on the TV show “The Voice”, who now uses her music to create awareness about CIRS after being chronically sick and healing
CIRS is estimated to be more common than asthma in the United States, but tragically misdiagnosed.
People get stuck on labels and diagnoses they are given to them by the medical community. The Genie test and CIRS is the only ONE explanatory model for treatment of chronic illness. It is backed by heavy research and objective biomarkers and parameters. The test is used for us doctors to treat the sickest patients we will see.
Since CIRS and the Genie test is relatively new information in the medical community, it is normal for people to react and destabilize when the conventional wisdom is uprooted. The paradigm of medicine is changing however for the good into this direction of Genie (genomics-transcriptomics-metabolomics-proteomics) and CIRS protocol. What a fast paced and exciting field.
I am not arguing that one research group is better than another. However this is life-saving information for those with chronic illness.
Kintsugi, I am so pleased your son has connected with it.
Thank you all
Dr James
*Cort, please connect me with Kintsugi.
Of course people get “stuck on labels”
Especially scientists.
They give a dataset a label so everyone can agree on what the target is.
This is how science is done.
Dr James
My husband & our son were touched by your encouragement and inspired by your progress. We are hopeful!
Thank you
Tim, Vickie & TJ.
Dr. J,
I’m not sure I understand this treatment protocol. Someone in the comments mentioned they called Dr. Heyman’s office and the cost for care is $10-20K over 2 years. Does this mean it is a standard protocol that takes 2 years to complete? If so, why would it be the same for every patient?
Thank you for your time and dedication.
Ronnie S.
Dr Nancy Klimas acknowledges the historic role of mold in the creation of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
I have explained that the Lake Tahoe outbreak had evidence not known in prior syndromes such as Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, Iceland disease, Epidemic Neuromyasthenia and many others.
Toxic mold illness is a newly discovered entity, and it was found in the original CFS clusters.
To make it clear. “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome” is indeed a “new syndrome”.
Toxic mold is an integral component.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcRcRM-FtAk
I propose that it’s a new syndrome in name only; that the same disease has been showing up probably since the dawn of man. Remember “The Disease of a 1000 names” by Dr. Bell? (https://www.amazon.com/M-Disease-Thousand-Names/dp/0963137492).
I would change the statement “toxic mold is an integral component” of ME/CFS to “toxic mold is an integral component of some people’s ME/CFS”. Why disavow the experiences of so many people who got ill after an infection?
Similar does not = “same”
Not in science.
If you have read Osler’s Web then you saw Cheney and Peterson found a newly discovered virus “HBLV”
Human Bcell Lymphotropic Virus, later renamed HHV6A.
This was not known in ME or any prior illness name.
This scared the CDC into creating a new syndrome.
Therefore, only a non scientist could possibly say CFS is the same as ME.
No more than one can say SARS COV 19 is “No different from Spanish flu”
I don’t understand your point.
SARS COV 19 does cause COVID-19
But HHV-6 does not cause CFS – nobody has shown that in the almost 40 years since that paper was published – we would all be taking antivirals if it had been. So what does it matter that HHV-6 was found in the early CFS cases in the US? And how would you know that the same findings wouldn’t have shown up in the UK, Australia or wherever.
The fact that one study found HHV-6 in one group of patients decades ago really doesn’t make any difference. We’ve had decades since then to figure out what role HHV-6 plays. I’m not saying we have the answer to that but no one can definitively say that HHV-6 causes ME/CFS – far from it.
Long before he died Cheney – one of the authors of the paper you place so much weight on – said he stopped “chasing viruses”.
There will be no change.
Science doesn’t operate by “majority rule”
Toxic mold was the very clue that Dr Cheney called the CDC for.
It is what baffled all of them, including Gary Holmes and Dr Komaroff.
Science dictates that one sticks with the data.
No substitutions, no more than one can indiscriminately juggle numbers in a mathematical equation.
As we can see, that only leads to mass confusion.
Erik – you’re just making things up now.
Here’s some data – Many people were treated by Dr. Cheney including me. He never asked me the state of my housing – he showed no interest in that at all – it didn’t figure into his treatment plans. His treatment protocols were voluminously documented and published on the web for years. Each time he checked them over for accuracy. I don’t remember mold playing a prominent role. I’m sure he considered it and included it somewhere but I hardly remember it being mentioned.
It would be almost laughable to see people twist and gyrate, distort and obfuscate, trying to evaporate the entire first ten years of CFS history and wipe out all my evidence in a crazy effort to cover up their malfeasance and deliberate neglect… if all this hadn’t had such terrible tragic consequences for so many millions of people.
Cort, you should know by now that Erik will never, NEVER be satisfied until every doctor in the world who didn’t or doesn’t agree with him, build a statue in his honor, or add his face to the Washington Monument.
He’s wrong on so many levels but will or cannot ever admit that. He HAS to be right. But he’s not.
Hi Ronnie,
Thx for the comment and questions
That number, $10-20K is not accurate. That seems high. You can contact his office directly and speak to Laurie Bain (clinical practice manager) and she can provide you with some more detail about fees
As far as the treatment protocol goes:
Heyman applies the Shoemaker protocol with his integrative approach. It is an expanded version in a sense
Each patient will go down the same main road such as baseline biomarkers, HLA labs, Genie test, removal of exposure if determined, environmental testing, starting Welchol or CSM Rx, then MARCoNS testing, gut testing, hormones, etc…until one reaches VIP
However some patients do not even make it to the VIP since they have healed earlier in the protocol. It all depends on how sick you are and what exactly is going on with your pathophysiology and labs of course. I have looked at his recent and updated protocol and he really has streamlined it for his patients
(I do not think I could have been any sicker than I was ! Geez That is why I required the VIP phase that I am on now)
As one proceeds down that main road ,there may be some small side streets that one takes in treatment depending on the test results in each phase
As far as timeline – it depends on each person, however Heyman moves you quite rapidly through the protocol and testing
The minimum time frame is 6-12 months but I have a friend who was diagnosed with CIRS and she recovered in 3 months.
In my case, I started with Heyman about 1 year and 6 months ago. He stated that I was in the category of one of the “sickest patients” he has worked with. He has brought me back from the grave 🙂
I do hope this info helps you out a bit. You can always contact Cort and we can go from there
Thx
Dr J
Hi Dr J, how do I contact his office for the correct cost for treatment? I’m fighting for my life. Thank you!
Hello Laurie
Yes, you can contact Laurie Bain (Heyman’s clinical practice manager). She or anyone who responds can email you all the info.
Please let her know I referred you. She is a great person! Interesting enough, she also had CIRS!
Link: https://www.vc4hw.com/contact-us.html
Keep fighting, OK. There is more than hope here I am providing
You can also ask Cort for my personal email should you have further Q’s
-Dr James
Hi Sarah,
First, in the US, unless you have C-Diff, you have to do it yourself. There are various videos online and the thepowerofpoop.com is a good resource. Finding a donor, especially, when you don’t have the energy to leave the house is very, very hard. I was lucky in that I had a good friend who had a 17 year old son who was competing on the wrestling team. His father, drove the poop from his house to me which was a 45 minute drive. Since then, I have moved and have no friends where I live now. When I have periods of feeling somewhat better, I have tried going to local gyms and talking to people who look young and healthy, but its like trying to sell sand in the Sahara dessert. I have been mentally working on how to put together a brochure and/or website to try and recruit people, but its hard to do that. Also, to do it properly requires a several month commitment for the donor and money on your part to test there stool. Likewise, you have to have a complete and honest health history from them including sex habits, stool habits, drug use, illnesses, anti-biotic use, etc..
As far as EBV, if your blood pressure is oK, you may want to look into Spirnolactone as an adjunct therapy.
Kindly watch Dr Irma Rey’s segment on environmental exposures and mycotoxins in CFS patients.
Bear in mind that toxic mold started the CFS syndrome.
The question must be asked as to why the original CFS cohort knew about this at the time of the creation of the Holmes 1988 CFS definition, but no “CFS researchers” at all.
They are painfully and SLOWLY discovering what they could have known within minutes, if only they had bothered to ask.
Had they done so, it is unlikely the Holmes CFS syndrome would have been coined at all. There would be no need. Dr Holmes “Chronic mononucleosis-like cluster” in The Tahoe Study had already been resolved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbkqrNvvMgw
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Everyone, please know that there’s no evidence – except for Erik- that toxic mold “started the CFS syndrome”. Multiple outbreaks decades ago across the US triggered the public recognition of this disease. Only one that I know was ever associated with toxic mold – and that one – only by Erik!
Dr. Peterson – who was there and has treated hundreds of Incline Village patients – always recognized the role that toxic mold could play in ME/CFS yet his focus was primarily on pathogens. I know Peterson was concerned about modld because he told a patient who was going to move back into her mold ridden house that she was going to get sick again – and she did. STill, Dr. Cheney – who was also there – did not focus on mold either. These were the two doctors – both recognized as superb diagnosticians – at the scene of the outbreak that Erik is convinced was started by toxic mold.
Even if Erik is right while some cases of MECFS are triggered by mold surely many other cases of ME/CFS are not triggered by it.
My ME/CFS also didn’t start with a mold infection. I had a virus and was very active with sports, work etc… That’s how it started. Do I have not ME/CFS now Cort? -:)
Some people are blind or have blinders on. ME/CFS has several causes leading to a very complex of symptoms.
Oh wow so many comments. Funnily enough I only found out about CIRS this year after being ill with presumed Me/CFS for 6 years, I fail the VCS test on 2 different websites and I have most of the symptoms associated with it except for static shocks, cough, diarrhea, morning stiffness, metallic taste, vertigo, red eyes. My disease onset was classic viral onset following over exercise with CFS being fully active within 1 week of infection.
I have had some strange new symptoms this year, pains and strange sensations in the brain as well as big changes to smell without obvious COVID coincidence, also
I now get quite bad Diabetes Insipidus for several hours following a certain activity whereas I would normally only get a sort of PEM. I’ve thought about doing the urine mycotoxin test but don’t currently have access to the money I need for that, the other CIRS tests don’t seem easily available and I can’t really afford to pay a private doctor to test me for CIRS, i’m from the UK you see.
Ash,
Thank you for sharing your story and the challenges you are going through. Your symptoms and results are consistent with CIRS. Perhaps you can find a physician in the US (via telemedicine) that is CIRS certified and inquire about fees. You cannot put a price to health and the return of quality of life. I do realize some do not have the resources and that is such a problem since these chronic illnesses can be fixed and there is help available for all.
Dr J
Read Osler’s Web. Page 28.
You’ll be amazed that the entire world could attempt to analyze CFS, come up with a million theories.
None of which were “toxic mold”
Not even after being TOLD it was toxic mold.
Hello community
I had my follow up appointment yesterday with Dr. Andrew Heyman. It was a scheduled 15 minute appointment however we ended up talking more than 30 minutes all about Health Rising and the suffering community
After we ended our appointment I felt an urge that he wanted me to provide more information to the group here
My time here in the spotlight is probably going to be over soon. Therefore I would like to drive my important points home once again
The paradigm of medicine and the approach to chronic illness is changing for the good. It may take some time and raising awareness, but it will happen.
If you navigate the Internet and look for CIRS specialists, you can view on all of their websites and encounter how CIRS is commonly misdiagnosed as many of these conditions listed below (but not limited too). You can also read many success stories.
My story is just one, there are many people out there who have regained their life once again.
Insomnia Anxiety Disorder Panic Disorder Bipolar Disorder Depression
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Fibromyalgia Inflammatory Bowel Syndrome
Systemic Lupus Erythematosus Multiple Sclerosis Chronic Pain Syndromes
Neuropathic Pain (eg. SFN) Panic Attacks Migraine Equivalents PTSD
Autoimmune disorders Alzheimer’s Parkinsonism Allergy Somatization
Regarding Genie:
If you cannot listen to the genie videos on the blog, here is a link to progenedx which is the Genie test explained
https://www.progenedx.com/who-can-this-help
If you want to dive deeper into CIRS, here are four videos from Dr Heyman
https://www.vc4hw.com/chronic-inflammatory-response-syndrome-cirs.html
I also have noticed a bunch of comments regarding viruses and bacteria. People mention that they have had labs done by their PMD that show “reactivated EBV” or “HHV-6 and CMV” etc. This may not always be the case.
I would like to point out just two sections on a Genie report that may shed some light for you in this area.
If you look at section 6, it demonstrates if one has active Lyme, post treatment Lyme or no Lyme. This is based on the brilliant science and research from Johns Hopkins that has been incorporated into Genie.
If you look at section 7, (GZMS/DEF), granzymes are proteases used by NK and cytotoxic T cells to destroy unhealthy cells. Defensins are antimicrobial peptides.
This demonstrates that these genes and immune responses are up-regulated in active viral or bacterial infections.
It just shows you how this is an extraordinary diagnostic tool for us and dictates treatment and recovery. Not to mention that it completely takes the guesswork out of such challenging illnesses and cases
It is important to understand that the chronic illness that you have been labeled with by authority is not an invisible illness or a mystery. Simply put, they don’t know what they don’t know.
Again you just can’t treat the leaves on a tree. One needs to determine the root cause. You deserve your life and health to be returned to you.
Thank you
Dr James
“People mention that they have had labs done by their PMD that show “reactivated EBV” or “HHV-6 and CMV” etc. This may not always be the case.”
– I wonder id GENIE can indicate any latent viruses reactivation?
My partner had latent herpesviruses reactivation (hsv1/2, probably hhv6) all the time when we lived in WBS. When we moved out of mold (high ERMI) the reactivation is gone. He is off the antivirals.
Many mycotoxins/biotoxins are genotoxic. Genotoxic compounds just happen to reactivate latent herpesviruses. Mycotoxin – Aflatoxin B1 happends to reactivate EBV
“AFB1 treatment leads to the alteration of cellular gene expression, with consequent activations of signaling pathways, e.g. PI3K, that in turn mediate reactivation of the EBV life cycle. ” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26424750/
I feel that activation of latent viruses by biotoxin is very “under-researched”.
…like almost
everything in ME 🙂
Very interesting…thanks for sharing! One of the doctors in Nancy Klimas’ group just published a paper recently showing high levels of mycotoxins in ME/CFS patients, predominately ochratoxin, but including aflatoxin.
https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/19/4/2052/htm
Dr Klimas seemed to indicate in the Q & A that she considers viral infections like EBV to be the trigger and then mold can perpetuate the illness.
If you don’t mind sharing, has your partner been able to resume exercise since leaving the water damaged building?
Excellent comment Ania. Thank you
YES, Genie does look at this. That is why it is an amazing diagnostic tool along with guiding treatment protocol
-Dr J
If Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a misdiagnosis of CIRS, then why is the story of Ground Zero for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome in FOUR of Dr. Shoemakers books?
The title of the chapters “MOLD AT GROUND ZERO FOR CFS” doesn’t make it clear to him that CFS was coined to solve Toxic Mold?
Dr Heyman doesn’t “get it” even though we were both speakers at the 2019 Ford Lauderdale Mold Congress, where I told the Shoemaker assemblage the story.
Again!
What does it take to get through to doctors?
And if they are that dense, should they even be allowed to diagnose anyone?
THe definition of a troll: Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community.
You seem to be unable to accept anyone else’s point of view – which results in massive upset for many people – and in you dominating the conversation. The main point of this blog was to provide a story about someone who was incredibly ill and got a lot better. That theme has, unfortunately, been lost in your relentless attempt to prove that you’re right about mold and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. Plus now you’re insulting doctors by calling them “dense”.
You have a point with regards to mold but you’ve sabotaged it again and again with your need to prove that you and only you are right and that everyone else is somehow morally suspect in not realizing that. That’s resulted in you being kicked off numerous social websites – which, of course, only prevents your worthwhile message – that mold should be considered – from being aired. That seems to bother you not at all – which makes me suspect that your being right is more important to you than getting your message out.
In any case, enough with this blog being side-tracked. It was about a potential remedy and has unfortunately been turned into something else. You’re being put on moderation.
Cort, may I have Dr. Jame’s email address? I have CIRS, am very sick, and also have Dr. Heyman as a doctor. I’m only 3 weeks in treatment and have some questions for James. Thank you, Kathy
Back in the 1990’s, Alexander Chester and Paul Levine wrote this article about how Truckee High School and two other original “CFS” epidemic cohorts also had “Sick Building Syndrome” going on.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8148452/
At that time, the dangers of building mold were not recognized at all and people tended to blame VOC’s or mystery factors for “SBS.”
I think that most knowledgeable people now would suggest that buildings that cause people to get sick in the “SBS” ways usually have particularly problematic mold issues present, with other factors (such as toxic carpets and lack of appropriate ventilation) often playing a contributing role.
So while I cannot prove to anyone that every epidemic cohort of the illness(es) now called ME/CFS has been associated with particularly bad mold issues (much less that every properly diagnosed patient has a problematic mold history), I do think that a legitimate argument can be made that there is some peer-reviewed, published evidence that mold likely was a factor in a few of the prominent early clusters.
Thank you Cort for bringing us such a wonderful recovery story and thank you James for sharing your story with us. I hope that you continue to improve and realise your dreams. Let’s hope that there will be more and more doctors who are able to learn about this and help people world wide. Getting to the true cause of these crippling illnesses is key and just proves that there is hope for the future.
Happy Father’s Day to those Dad’s out there
So, getting back on track here. There has been some comments about PEM. Therefore I would like to post some info about and why it happens with regard to the pathophysiology that is seen in CIRS and one particular biomarker.
Correct elevated C4a
Normal Range 0-2830 ng/mL
Objective: improve oxygen delivery to cells and decrease inflammation
C4a is a very important and frequently encountered marker of CIRS-WDB that is a useful indicator of the degree of inflammation and also treatment response. When high, C4a causes cognitive dysfunction, increased smooth muscle contraction, vascular permeability, release of chemotactic factors followed by capillary hypoperfusion and low tissue oxygen.
Without adequate oxygen and nutrients in the cells, energy production is compromised with a decrease in ATP yield from 38 ATP down to 2 ATP per glucose molecule. This is an 18 fold decrease, literally requiring 18 glucose molecules during low oxygen conditions to generate 38 ATP.
Post exertional fatigue or PEM is a characteristic observation of “CFS/ME” – 2-3 days of fatigue [glycogen depletion] following exertion. In other words, the cell burns through its glucose stores [glycogen] and it takes a few days to replace. Lactic acid production increases, causing post exertional myalgia.
C4a responds well to VIP nasal spray. Before the use of VIP, erythropoietin (Procrit) injections were used with good results. Procrit has a black box warning, avoid use if any of the contraindicated conditions are present.
-Dr J
” The Myth of Mycotoxins and Mold Injury
Christopher Chang 1 2 , M Eric Gershwin 3
Clin Rev Allergy Immunol 2019 Dec
In recent years, mold has been blamed for many symptoms or a constellation of symptoms. These symptoms are usually vague and subjective and difficult or impossible to measure or quantify. Moreover, there is no scientific evidence that mold has anything to do with these symptoms. In particular, the concept of toxic mold syndrome has permeated the public consciousness, and mycotoxins have falsely been associated with autoimmune diseases and a variety of other conditions. In fact, there is no evidence that the presence of mycotoxins in the air is enough to cause any disease known to man. Molds legitimately can cause allergies and can be a trigger for asthma. Certain specific molds such as Aspergillus can be a cause of hypersensitivity pneumonitis. In immunocompromised hosts, both dermatologic and systemic infections can result from various fungi and can be associated with significant morbidity or even mortality. However, the existence of toxic mold syndrome has been disproven, despite the numerous disreputable practices such as testing homes for mold spores, measuring “mycotoxins” in the urine, and testing patients for IgG to mold. In truth, none of these techniques have been validated, nor do they have any relevance to any clinical disease. All that these tests that are being performed by laboratories of disrepute does is to further propagate misinformation and inflict unnecessary and often exorbitant costs on patients desperate for a clinical diagnosis, right or wrong, for their constellation of maladies.”
Hello all
There have been requests regarding peer review articles to be posted
(see below)
Also please note, the Shoemaker protocol is an effective government approved treatment for CIRS
Thx
-Dr J
https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/MRA_2_25_21_FINAL_Health_Risk_Assessments_from_Water-Damaged_Buildings.pdf
https://esmed.org/MRA/mra/article/view/2493/193545863
https://esmed.org/MRA/mra/article/view/2585/193545947
https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/LYME_BIOMARKERS_IMR_FINAL_10_13_2017.PDF
https://esmed.org/MRA/mra/article/view/2646/193545986
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17010568/
https://www.survivingmold.com/docs/NTT_NQ_PDF_06_17_2014.PDF
https://www.scirp.org/pdf/Health_2013030711390862.pdf
Thanks for answering my question about your Cell Trend autoantibodies, James.
I watched Dr. Heyman’s YouTube presentations, including this one on Transcriptomics, which is the GENIE test referenced above. https://youtu.be/gkNGtXwwxzQ
Some of the pathways mentioned will sound familiar to us: cell danger response, hypometabolism, coagulation, thrombospondin, immune response, etc. Their work is complementary to a lot of our current understanding of ME/CFS.
I’d like to see some more direct evidence that toxins from water damaged buildings are a direct cause of these clinical findings. Add specific toxins to an endothelial cell culture and demonstrate how they affect the production of von Willebrand factor, for example. Which receptors do they bind, what signal transduction pathways are affected, what protein levels are affected? Is the production of nitric oxide affected, like Dr Westermeier has recently demonstrated in ME/CFS?
This would go a long way towards demonstrating that toxins from WDB cause illness, especially since some of the markers like TGF-beta are elevated in many illnesses.
We know that CMV infection of endothelial cells can induce coagulation, and Covid likely does as well, so mold toxins may not be the only cause of these patterns of transcription. I think we’re all blind men looking at the same elephant, to use an analogy. And one overarching picture will eventually emerge that ties all the pieces together.
There are many patients who have made substantial improvements without addressing mold, so I don’t think it is the only cause of our illness. There are plenty of people in the mold illness groups on Facebook who are still sick after spending tens of thousands on remediation.
But for some of us, it does seem to be a big, often overlooked key. Thanks for sharing your story, James…it’s inspiring to read about your progress and I’m glad you’re going to be able to help others.
I am in Australia anf this very long and confusing anf helpful at same time is very interesting- i am on my own too – so it’s hard to keep up with everything- but in arpund 1980 ish i was d with fm – artgritises and just keep adding more – ross river virus and dengue and also haemachromatosis- too much iron !! I live in a mouldy house on my own that i own- but it’s several cyclone damaged and basically i am not welk enough to help myself- it’s driving me nuts – i sm going to be 70 in July- so akso it means i never ever actually know which problems to worry about first – have been like thid fir over 40 years – have haf enough
Lyn
Thank you for your comment and providing the struggles you have and are going through
Try to connect with a certified CIRS doctor in the US such as Heyman or one in Australia if you have the rersources. I realize it is tough for many
Let me know if I can be of some assistance
Stay strong
Dr James
Thank you for sharing your experience! I feel such compassion reading your story as I am recently diagnosed with CIRS. I was also an active person who went to bed bound and on disability. The amount of gaslighting and medical trauma I encountered the first year of trying to find the root cause of my issues will no doubt take time to process and move through. For those wondering about the genie test, for me it was worth every penny to help rule out the many “labels” I received from numerous docs and practitioners which turned out to be wrong. We were able to pinpoint what’s triggering my system specifically which will prevent spending thousands of dollars on inappropriate treatment plans and get me on the road to healing faster. I felt resistant, especially after undergoing so many other tests, but it truly was worth it. The work these doctors are doing is life changing, and I hope they receive the accolades they deserve. May you continue to heal and may your story inspire others to dig deeper and find strength to demand the care they deserve.
Melanie
Thank you your kind words and sharing your experiences. So happy to hear that you finally got to the root cause and the Genie test validated your chronic illness that you have been enduring
You are now out of the starting gates and on your way to recovering your life and health again. Be a patient patient so to speak, CIRS takes time to heal
Dr James 🙂
Thank you Dr. James, I’m happy to share I’m making slow and consistent progress under Dr. Heyman’s care. How are you continuing to heal?
Thank you so much Dr. James for your inspiring story and for addressing so many questions that we all have. I have just tried to get in touch with Dr. Heyman’s office and was not able to speak to anyone, but hopefully, they will call back as I am anxious to get the GENIE test. I live in California and have been to doctors everywhere, and I am so pleased to know about Dr. Heyman. Thank you also Cort for ALL that you do for all of us. Your constant research is incredible, and I do not know what I would do without your weekly research.
Thank you Stephanie!
I find that emailing the office is best
https://www.vc4hw.com/contact-us.html
If you encounter any delays do let me know and I can work my magic to help you out 🙂
Dr James
Thank you all for some excellent comments, questions and insights. Much appreciated!
I would like to add some clarity about CIRS and how it is a complex multi-system and multi-symptom disease process. It does tie it all together
Genetically susceptible people (nearing 25%) are unable to naturally detoxify themselves of toxins. Their body is unable to recognize biotoxins as invaders. The biotoxins sit and wait for a trigger. Once a trigger is introduced, the result can be a variety of illnesses and then potentially chronic issues that mimic other diseases. A triggered genetic response more often than not develops into chronic inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS)
Mold old has been discussed quite a bit here. Please note that the recent data on mold shows that it accounts for 7% in patients, leading the way is actinomycetes bacteria (at 42%), which is present in most households
The “microbiome” of ones living or work space is key
There are over 40 other biotoxins identified
We also look at active viruses such as EBV, HHV-6, CMV, even Covid plays a huge role in triggers. This component is found in the Genie test
I see that some have spent thousands of dollars on “mold remediation” with no improvement of symptoms, and some with improvement. Remediation of mold or even another biotoxin does NOT equal improvement. This is such a complex disease process and you cannot stop at just remediation
Remediation is just the start of the protocol. It is followed in a studied sequence that is critical to adhere to as you go up the pyramid of treatment
Here is a link to the biotoxin pathway that illustrates the complex cascade of biochemical events that presents as chronic illness
https://www.survivingmold.com/resources-for-patients/diagnosis/the-biotoxin-pathway
Thank you
-Dr J
@Cort
Perhaps it is just me that cannot get your most recent article to load?
Thank you,
sunie
It’s everyone. I’ve been trying to publish that blog for almost two days. We thought the problem was fixed – but it’s not. Its a big mystery as the other parts of the website are fine.
My daughter has been ill for 13 years. She has been to @35 + doctors. Just finding out she does have mold toxicity. Vomitixin was very high.
She has app 8 of the clusters in the cirs test.
Thankyou dr James for your encouragement and hope expressed.
I believe my daughter will get better also.
Her Dr top choice is itraconozole which I feel very cautious about. She has not started treatment yet.
Any thoughts on itraconozole as a top choice?
Thankyou again for your article
I am glad he is improving. I have been bedridden for many years now with severe ME and I can never relate to those who say they are v ill but manage to visit so many doctors. I haven’t been able to leave my home for ten years. How do they do it?
I am confused whether the Genie test can identify which bio toxin is involved, eg actinomycetes bacteria, mold etc? Many thanks.
Hello Kim
Thank you for your comments. I do understand your struggles – sorry to hear you are going through this difficult time
The Genie test DOES determine which biotoxin is involved. It can define the cause such as actinomycetes bacteria, mold, Corynebacteria, Cutibacteria etc. Alos looks at viruses such as EBV and CMV along with active or treated Lyme as other potential triggers
Hope this helps
If you need more info let me or Cort know
-Dr James
James’ story is so inspiring, and so relatable! After a decade of declining health, my partner and I were both diagnosed with CIRS a year ago. While I’ve seen dramatic improvements with treatment (cholestyramine, EDTA, VIP), he has not (though has the “dreaded gene,” so the GENIE is his next step. He’s currently applying to PA and NMD programs and in hopes of helping diagnose and treat CIRS, all well as create content to spread awareness. If you could pass my email address along James, I think Ryan may enjoy connecting and sharing studies and insights (e.g., we’ve noted personally a correlation between CIRS/CFS and low plasmalogens <1% for age/sex and, while osmoality isn't often tested, low/borderline normal in the more common specific urine gravity test may point to mold exposure). Thanks for sharing your story, James, and best wishes as you move forward in your life!!
Hi Doc,
I was treated with ivermectin for a post covid vaccine run-in, it helped me a lot but now after doing gut testing I have “corynebacterium” species that you mention above. Are these bio toxins and how do i get rid of it?? I have lots of new symptoms including skin issues, worsen inflammation, and even red scrotum syndrome
RE: INFO FOR PEOPLE IN UNITED KINGDOM/EUROPE – (GENIE/CIRS)
I called upon a few colleagues and found some info for the people who are looking for help in the UK/Europe
I am pasting Louise Carder’s response below:
thx
-Dr J
“I started a company called Colab Services Ltd nearly 4 years ago now in order to support those living in Europe/Africa with access to testing relating to biotoxin illness and other complex health concerns so that we could bridge a few other gaps in what has been available to date. As well as being Certified with Dr Shoemaker I am also Certified with the Institute for Functional Medicine and am a Bredesen Trained Practitioner, so wanted to make sure that we offered a one-stop-shop for many aspects of testing and care that patients might need.
We now has 5 members of staff and a Medical Director. We offer the entire range of testing that someone who has concerns about biotoxin illness might want to consider, such as:
CIRS Biomarker testing (including HLA DRB 1,3,4,5 DQb1)
Associated infection testing
Nasal Swab testing
Mould Hypersensitivity testing
GENIE
Volumetric MRI and NeuroQuant analysis
Environmental testing e.g. ERMI/HERTSMI-2
Our website is: http://www.colabeu.com
email: info@colabeu.com
We do not work with members of the public directly, but can support enquirers to find a practitioner to work with
Hello Erin
Great comments. Thx!
Let’s connect 🙂
Dr J
I would like to find out more! Will you please pass my email along?
Thanks!
Some videos for all (technical but explanatory)
CIRS Diagnosis part 1 and 2 (Dr Heyman):
https://youtu.be/i1XjfjrJJgo
https://youtu.be/Pnv9uE2vQqs
-Dr J
Fascinating article and comments. so glad that Dr. James is on the road to recovery. I checked one item in 5 clusters so I guess I don’t fall into his category. Personally, I ‘m interested more in mitochondria studies. I am a post polio ‘survivor’. pretty sure that is relevant to my present maladies.
Hello Seesir
Thank you for the kind comments
Even though you only have 1 item in 5 clusters, I would definitely still look into CIRS. I am not sure if you tried the VCS test or not and your results
We have many patients who only have a few or even 1 symptom, and they fail the
VCS test along with having many biomarkers positive in their labs. They were all found to have CIRS and went onto the treatment protocol
CIRS is all about the mitochondria. That is the main source of this disease process and how it affects so many pathways downstream.
-Dr J
I would like to speak with James please.
I have been to so many doctors, very well respected, they have no answers because there aren’t any. Been through so many tests, including two sets of bloodwork in Germany, Cell Trend and a 19 page Epigenetik Institut test called the IGL Neuroscan test. Shows high CF DNA, a lot of cell death and mitochondrial cell shortages and clumping, membrane damage, poor cytochrome gating issues and on and on. Covers many other things as well.
Diagnoses, ME CFS, POTS with Vasovagal Syncope, positive Qsart for neuropathy, comorbid FMS, MCAS, urinary and GI issues….Going on six years, and I now have an Integrative Practitioner who has run mold markers and is saying mold, toxins, etc. I go back and forth, is all this real or a racket when it comes to the mold world and the people making money off of fear. But my QEEG did indeed show a “brain on fire” along with no restorative sleep. My tests overall show I think 12 Acute Phase Reactants for inflammation and/or autoimmune, but many are inflammatory. IL10 for instance at 50 when normal should be very low, normally the ultimate fighter of inflammation, and may be doing so, but can switch roles if LPS or Endotoxins present for instance. Polyclonal plasma cells in bone marrow of 10 percent, not monoclonal, sign of an inflammatory issue many times. C4a 13,000, MSH low, etc. Fibrinogen elevated, ferritin…and a low ESR and CRP but of course. Would love the chance to speak with James if possible. He must be swamped by now. I did pass the VCR test, laughing to myself!!
Hello Cynthia
WOW, thank you for all the info. YES, let’s connect please (emal Cort to obtain my contact info)
Just sorting through your data, the elevated C4a of 13,000 is absolutely pathognomonic for CIRS, even if you were able to pass the VCS test
We look at C4a as one of the biomarkers, and if it is greater than 10,000 than that confirms the dx of CIRS (not to mention all your positive symptom clusters)
CIRS and the Genie test do TIE all this together, and that is where people have difficulty. They get caught up in one number or a specific diagnosis, treatment or hopes for a trial drug and they stop there and get stuck
Genie and the underlying pathophysiology of CIRS and research is all based on the mitochondria
So there is no suprise here to see you have apoptosis, mitochonndrial dysfunction and elevated clotting factors. (it is typical to see elevated D-dimer, anti cardiolipin, Von Willebrand factor and others in CIRS patients)
Happy to assist
-Dr James
C4a also found to be elevated highly in ME CFS as well. D Dimer ok, cardiolipin and other tests upcoming. There are cardiolipin results on the IGL Neuroscan, will have to look again. Have you seen their test from Germany? Massive data. Will be glad to share if not. How do I email Cort from here? How bout this? Cort, it’s Cynthia. Can you hook me up with 007? Thank you!!
Cynthia
We can discuss all this when you email me. I sent Cort a message to connect us 🙂
Yes I did the CellTrend too in Germany
All my antibodies lit up. There are reasons (ie. a root cause) why you have POTS, vasovagal syncope etc. We can discuss the other tests too
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I know you’re frustrated with all this work up you have done with many physicians. I can hopefully put the pieces of the puzzle together for you when we chat
Dr J
Cynthia
This was posted from Cort. Let me know if it helps:
“If you’d like to communicate with James please provide your email address in the contact form for Health Rising and I will pass it on.”
Done when commented. I wrote to him earlier as well. My Cell Trend tests weren’t too impressive.
Check your email inbox ( or spam folder)
Thx
007
Thank you all for some phenomenal comments, insights and personal experiences
I have gone through all my emails (a lot!) and have responded. If you have not heard from me please email Cort or perhaps check your spam folder so we can connect. Some emails may have been missed as we sorted things out
Thank you 🙂
-Dr James
Hi Dr,
I am glad to hear you are doing better and dont want that to get dismissed over what I say. Lots of things to digest here and obviously this got alot of comments. Respectfully, you are relatively new to CIRS despite having a medical background and many others have been dealing with Shoemaker and his disciples for many years or over a decade. I probably became aware of this website and surviving mold around the same time in 2016 or so and obviously from these comments the level of crossover between CIRS and CFS is heavily debated but I think alot of ppl here have Shoemaker for many yrs. I was diagnosed by him in 2019 over the phone. I find him intelligent and thought he was on to something but an absolute As*hole as things played out. This opinion is extremely common among peers.
While Erik I feel rightfully got alot of flack for certain things in this thread I do agree with his criticism for Richie that after decades and many thousands of pages in his insanely long books on Mold he suddenly goes completely 180 to Actinomycetes. Thats pretty pathetic. This is a dude who literally was blowing a gasket if I even asked him a question on a phone appointment because he is so rigid about anyone questioning him. How convenient that this GENIE thing gets developed and everyone is popping for Actino and he completely reverses course from decades long positions. Sorry thats nuts. This guy went mental level rabbit hole with mold, joking that it was the war and peace version of mold multiple times over. Now its just kicked to the side because this big test revealed something different? Very weird. 42% is kicked around. Go into a Mold group on FB or whatever and ask people that did GENIE what came up…they all say Actino. So the whole premise of the test is sketch, sorry…especially for that price. Also lots of people in those groups will talk about not getting at all better with Shoemaker or his offspring. Seems like maybe many years ago people did with his Pfsteria people that were the core of how he discovered all this and actual impacted by his surrounding area. He lost his medical license a long time ago which is a really big deal yet is still directing all this stuff with CIRS, GENIE etc while he has not been licensed. I tried to listen to about the first 20 min of the main video and the audio was chopping up like crazy so thats not a good look + him acknowledging being wrong about all he ever knew and then getting excessively scientific to the tune of the lay person having no idea what hes talking about as he always does. If someone is convinced they have CIRS his whole protocol is public…I fail to see why GENIE has any value other than $$$$ for the stakeholders. As far as whats causing the problem if thats even legit you can get testing of your dwelling done. In my case despite being diagnosed the last two place I’ve lived had no issues according to EnviroBiomics which is his recommendation and almost all my labs have corrected….which brings into question the whole basis of the diagnosis. Many others in Mold groups will tell you the same, sorry to say.
Please ONLY post respectful and non-selfish comments.
Thank you
In October 1992 I stayed with my son while he had allergy testing done. I walked out of the hospital and to the car and that was the last time I have ever felt secure and walking by myself. Within two hours I was in the ER unable to move or speak and had acute vertigo. I have symptoms in all of the clusters above. Is it possible that something in that allergy lab set this off even though the director of the lab said that was impossible. I have always felt I encountered something in that lab that triggered this 40 year malaise that keeps me in bed most of the time. Thank you.
Yes Karen, there are many triggers. If you have multiple cluster symptoms it is a high probability of CIRS
Feel free to email Cort to obtain my personal email so we can communicate. Happy to assist if needed
Dr J
This really makes me reevaluate that debilitating “thing” I caught in the Mediterranean (that apparently wasn’t meningitis, neither bacterial nor viral), my terrible years at that job where I always had a runny nose, breathing problems etc etc, my major issues with sitting in the old law library, and so on, and so on.
Positive on VCS.
Feels like this is the start of journey – first stop being trying to find a provider in the Nordics! Feels like Germany is more amenable to this.
Take care you all and a very big thanks to the hunky Dr 007!
Hey Carl
Thx for the message ☺️
I’m pleased all this info helped
Positive VCS and symptoms— sounds like you are on your way of the CIRS journey and to heal!
I would look into Louise Carder – she is CIRS certified in your neighborhood
https://www.louisecarder.com/account
Dr J
Thank you so much James and Cort for this inspiring story! I think my CFS is also very likely caused by this CIRS, as I always tend to feel nasal congestion when I have a fatigue attack. May I ask what EDTA you used? My Google search showed many brands and varieties. Is it a nasal spray and OTC? Are there side effects to be aware of before trying it? Cort, can I also have James’ email address? Thank you and Best, Yanli
Hello Yanli
Thank you for your comments and question
The EDTA nasal spray is a prescription, (typically comes with silver)
BEG Rx spray was commonly used but now switched due to microbial resistance
I just sent you an email too
Thx
Dr J
Hi, I am writing in for a friend of mine who lives in India. She has been suffering with ME/CFS for four years, and has been unable to locate a doctor anywhere in India who specializes in ME/CFS.
Due to her heath, she would have a difficult time traveling outside of India, but she is desperate for any suggestions.
Sarah,
Thank you for your comment. I’m very sorry to hear about your friend in India. Yes I’m happy to help out. Please contact Cort to obtain my personal email and we can go from there
Thank you
Dr. J
Hello, Thank you for sharing your story and all the information. I am HLA 4-3-53, have had decades of mold exposure in various houses. I am in a clean space and am working through Shoemakers protocol with a certified functional doctor. My MSH is very low and I am a high c-diff risk. My Microbiology Dx nasal swab says Staph large amounts. She (fmd) says Marcons won’t show on the report until Staph is cleared/treated. Would I treat for Marcons even though it doesn’t show or how could I treat the Staph without antibiotics? I feel like my brain is compromised and I have significant joint pain (think low msh). I would be grateful for any opinion on this. thank you. LC
Hello LC,
Thank you for your comment. Glad to hear you are on the correct path of treating CIRS with the Shoemaker protocol.
If your initial nasal swab culture demonstrated MRSA+, this typically masks MARCoNS. Therefore you need to treat with Bactroban prescription ointment in your nares for about 14 days. Then repeat nasal swab kit
If the repeat nasal swab kit shows MARCoNS, then you need to proceed and treat this for a minimum of six months with EDTA/silver nasal spray compounded prescription. (All under your doctors care of course)
Yes, Correct- low MSH is the hub of many pathways and presents as joint pain and other multiple symptoms
Best,
Dr J
Hello Marco
(Responding to your comment September 11, 2022 regarding corynebacterium above)
Yes biotoxins take on many forms. Even vaccines can tip you into CIRS causing many “weird” symptoms
I would recommend getting set up with a certified CIRS specialist. I am not sure where you are located. Let me know if you need some help. You can obtain my email from Cort.
You need a bit more of a medical work-up!
Best
-Dr J
FYI: FINANCIAL SUPPORT (for CIRS)
There is a website now offering financial support for those that are accepted. Here is a link to a brief video that explains how to sign up
https://youtu.be/pNTa8tVqiQU
Best,
Dr. James
Hi Dr. James, thank you so much for sharing your story. I have CIRS as well and am working through the shoemaker protocol since the beginning of the year. Amazes me that so many doctors could not figure out what was going on with you. I live in Guadalupe. It’s a small farm town about an hour away a from Santa Barbara in CA. I just wanted to reach out and introduce myself.
Hello Alex,
Thank you for the comment and connecting!
Good to hear you are on the correct protocol too. I trust you are making progress. It’s a journey for sure but worth it
Feel free to obtain my email from Cort. You are in the same neighborhood 😉
-Dr J
Can someone with medical knowledge let me with know with certainty if CIRS can elevate serum ACE to an out of range level? One medical journal I read said CIRS can mess with RAS so my conclusion is it can however I am far from a medical professional. Has this question been investigated even? I have a story like many here but mine might be tied to serum ACE. I took the test above and my score is likely for CIRS. I actually totaled the numbers and mine is 27.
DS,
Please see my response below.
thx
DS,
Thank you for your comment and inquiry.
Yes, CIRS affects the RAS and ADH significantly. It sounds like you elevated ACE is not just an isolated lab value.
If you have 27 of the symptoms, that is quite confirming for CIRS. I would suggest getting set up with a certified CIRS doc to further investigate. You are also welcome to take the VCS test and see how you score. We use the CIRS cluster symptom boxes and the VCS score as TWO screening tools with close to 99% accuracy
Let me know if you have further questions
Thx
-Dr J
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Shingles rash,
cold sore
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ALS etc I’m very grateful to Madida herbal center for agreeing to help treat, cure and save me .
Dr J.
So glad to have finally have found news about you! We were really worried when you dropped off the face of the earth. Lost your contact info so all I had was google – glad to have found this article.
Reach out and I can fill you in on how we’ve been doing.
Stephen C from Canada!!
Calvert!!!
Wow. I lost all your contact info too since critically sick
Please email Cort. He runs Health Rising here. Just ask for my personal email.
SO glad you found me. What a journey
Dr J 😀
Still waiting to hear from Cort, reach out to me at the following email.
It’s a temp one that I can delete as soon as we are in touch.
glazier-candor0h@icloud.com
Hello! I have all of these symptoms. I am bedridden and feel like I am dying everyday. Please help me. Thank you.
Aneesa,
Very sorry to hear of your health struggles
It sounds like you meet case criteria for CIRS, since you have all of the cluster symptoms as you stated. (Not sure if you took the VCS test)
It would be best to get set up with a certified CIRS physician in your area or via telemedicine. Perhaps your environment is the trigger and lowering your immune system and contributing to the symptoms.
Let me know where you are based out of and if you have good family support to get you through this
My best,
Dr J
I’m in NYC, USA. Please email me at neesah@gmail.com. I’m suffering a lot. I really need help please.
I’m currently working with a Shoemaker doctor in Colorado. I’ve been confident that my actual diagnosis was CIRS, rather than ME/CFS, since some lab tests and a phone consultation with Dr. Mary Ackerley (a former associate of Dr. Shoemaker’s) in 2019. Unfortunately, the protocol isn’t covered by insurance, and we didn’t have the financial means to pay out of pocket at the time, so we tried going the mold avoidance route instead. I had some mixed success with that (I was able to start working again for a while), but it wasn’t really a complete solution.
I contacted several approved practitioners before settling on my current clinic, including Dr. Heyman’s. IIRC, they wanted $20,000 up front for treatment!!!! Who in hell can afford that after years of disability, if they weren’t born into wealth or hadn’t accumulated significant wealth before falling ill?!? I was born into a poor, blue-collar family, and literally grew up in a moldy home, so I never had a chance on either count. Needless to say, I declined.
Dr. Heyman is probably one of the top five experts in the CIRS field, and I’m grateful for his contributions to our understanding of the disease, but a treatment is useless if it isn’t accessible. It really irritates me that these people aren’t doing more to make treatment affordable, as they understand better than anyone, except for the patients themselves, what a burden the illness lays on all facets of life, including the financial.
TJ
Thx for sharing. Your comment is well taken. I feel the frustration for sure. This is a dilemma in the medical community
There is financial support for this. I have helped others get approved:
Link : https://youtu.be/pNTa8tVqiQU
Yes Heyman is expensive now. His partner is much more affordable. $795 initial visit and $285 per visit after. Heyman oversees everything. The fund above covers Genie test and apportionments.
Hope this helps
Dr j
Article could have been written in one paragraph, I was able to afford a super expensive doctor and treatment plan for cirs, and I was cured. If you can’t afford a doctor like that, sorry for your crappy luck. The end.
People that right clickbait like this make me sick, more than I already am.
I’m not sure why I’m allowing this comment except to refute it – the article was long in order to explain exactly what CIRS is and what it does. That helps people a) decide whether or not to try something very expensive like this (did you think a paragraph stating you’ll be cured would do the trick – now that’s clickbait and b) people the option to try things on their own.
You said you were cured and then said you’re still sick. I hope you get better!
Strong context is useful to many. I appreciate the article length and details.
For some articles, perhaps a summary abstract would help.
Many cannot afford expensive out of pocket medical care and therefore welcome their own research on others’ successes, even though many of us are weary of more stuff to check out.
Hope life gets easier from here for you.
Would love to speak with Dr. J for a short period. Already diagnosed with CIRS years ago but living with major neurological dysfunction, chronic fatigue, and financial difficulties. If you can send my e-mail to him I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for the inspiring article.
Hello Trent
Thx for your comment. Sorry to hear of the health struggles
I’ll await your email from Cort
Dr J
James. I have had ME/CFS for 23 yrs. Last summer we did mold remediation on the exterior of our home and my health took a nose dive. I have contacted Dr. Heyman’s office and they claim that they can treat me over the phone. Is this what you did? Can this work? Desperate in Massachusetts
Hello Lois
Very sorry to hear of the difficulties with your health.
Yes, I worked with Heyman‘s office via telemedicine, phone consults
He uses the Shoemaker protocol and applies his Integrative approach. He will guide you through doing the correct remediation and testing inside your home etc. He then lays out a treatment plan for you.
Best in health.
Dr J