Antivirals

cherubim

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Has anyone tried any natural antivirals that were effective? Parvovirus and EBV are part of the picture in these disorders. Valcyte, from my understanding, doesn't affect Parvovirus. Can anyone tell me what they used for Parvo?

This is rather drastic, but has anyone tried swallowing whole garlic cloves?
 

IrisRV

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My specialist said there's no good AV for parvo. She suggested Equilibrant, which worked very well for me. I had a fairly low-level parvo infection and less than 3 months of Equilibrant at 2 pills per day (1/3 of the typical Equilibrant dose) cleared it up. Equilibrant did nothing for me for EBV or HHV6. I needed Valcyte and Valtrex for those.

Equilibrant is 'natural', depending on your definition of natural.
 

cherubim

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My specialist said there's no good AV for parvo. She suggested Equilibrant, which worked very well for me. I had a fairly low-level parvo infection and less than 3 months of Equilibrant at 2 pills per day (1/3 of the typical Equilibrant dose) cleared it up. Equilibrant did nothing for me for EBV or HHV6. I needed Valcyte and Valtrex for those.

Equilibrant is 'natural', depending on your definition of natural.
Oh - no wonder I couldn't find anything - thanks for the info. I have an old bottle of Valcyte for possible EBV, I'm looking for something that might destroy suspected Parvo. Thank you - I'll look into the Equilibrant right now.

I can't find any good info on natural antivirals killing viruses - they must really be hard to kill.
 

IrisRV

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Viruses are tough little beggers. Killing them directly is problematic because viruses by their nature hijack your host cells to live and replicate. You'd have to kill off your own cells to kill the viruses directly. That's a risky proposition. Antiviral medications don't kill viruses. They work by inhibiting viral replication (the virus can't spread) and letting your immune system (or normal cell death) take care of the already-infected cells. This is one reason why viruses are especially difficult to manage in people with impaired immune systems -- it takes a long time for the infected cells to all die out if your immune system is not helping the matter along.

I hope you have Valtrex, not Valcyte, for your EBV. Valcyte is a much riskier medication than Valtrex and isn't particularly effective for EBV. If you need Valcyte for HHV6 or CMV, then you have to take the risk because it's better than the infection, but I wouldn't take the risk when there's a less risky, more effective, medication.
 

Tammy7

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I have been having success with natural anti-virals such as Cats Claw, licorice root, l-lysine......to name a few.
 

Tammy7

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Other good anti-virals I mentioned in the other thread..........olive leaf, Monolaurin, lemon balm, thyme, silver hydrosol.
ZINC!
 

cherubim

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Viruses are tough little beggers. Killing them directly is problematic because viruses by their nature hijack your host cells to live and replicate. You'd have to kill off your own cells to kill the viruses directly. That's a risky proposition. Antiviral medications don't kill viruses. They work by inhibiting viral replication (the virus can't spread) and letting your immune system (or normal cell death) take care of the already-infected cells. This is one reason why viruses are especially difficult to manage in people with impaired immune systems -- it takes a long time for the infected cells to all die out if your immune system is not helping the matter along.

I hope you have Valtrex, not Valcyte, for your EBV. Valcyte is a much riskier medication than Valtrex and isn't particularly effective for EBV. If you need Valcyte for HHV6 or CMV, then you have to take the risk because it's better than the infection, but I wouldn't take the risk when there's a less risky, more effective, medication.
So pharmaceutical antivirals don't kill the virus, they inhibit it. And natural antivirals, I supposed can't get inside the cell - I guess unless they are in lyphospheric form??? So it would make sense to build the immune system. I take probiotics, and just recently started Swanson's IGE. I have Valganciclovir. I was afraid at the time to take it due to the cancer risk - but like Montoya said: it's risk vs benefit. I stayed on it only until I got well then discontinued. It was Valcyte (or the generic Valganciclovir) that got me well - so it killed (or rather stopped from replicating) the EBV - or maybe some other virus? I don't know. When I go to see my doctor I'll ask him about Valtrex. He was the one that switched me off of Famvir to the Valcyte, saying it was stronger.

So do you take things to build your immune system?

Zinc - good - I just started carnosine with zinc because all the supplements I'm taking to try to get well are upsetting my stomach!
 

tandrsc

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cherubim

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Thank you very much. I was researching non-stop and got into Nrf2 activation, and bought a product on Amazon with 95% curcuminoids. Is the turmeric supposed to be taken in a 'whole form' or will the circuminoids do the trick? The ginger is great - I just bought a bottle from Swansons because my stomach was getting upset from all the supplements. I never tried lemon balm, but will look into it.
 

cherubim

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I read something about that awhile back - that there are 'yet-undiscovered' properties in foods. So how do you take turmeric - do you use the spice? I recall reading that turmeric is hard to absorb - you need some kind of oil or something for it to be properly absorbed.
 

tandrsc

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When I started taking it, I mixed the spice with a teaspoon of honey and cocoa powder and eat it off the spoon. Now I add 1/2 teaspoon to the rice thing I make for lunch. Whatever you decide to do, start with a very small amount and build up. I started with too much and gave myself a herx like reaction.

I've heard that taking it with black pepper greatly improves it's bio-availability, but I really don't like black pepper.
 

cherubim

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Do you just buy the turmeric at the supermarket? I've never cooked with it, so don't even know what it tastes like. I like stir-fries, so I could probably add it into that - maybe adding it in at the end, so the heat doesn't destroy any of the properties.

I've done that with the herx reactions. When I took S-acetyl-glutathione I had a herx - that's how I knew it was working. I've seen where they add 'bioperene' to supplements. I don't mind black pepper - if it's mixed in with salt on a sandwich or something.
 

tandrsc

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Yes, I just buy it at the supermarket. I don't particularly like the taste but couldn't taste it when mixed with honey and cocoa. However, I find that a small amount in cooking is nice as it works more as a flavour enhancer. You could add ginger to your stir fry as well, I find that they work well together (ginger is in my rice thing as well).
 

cherubim

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Thanks - I eat mostly organic now, but don't worry about the spices being organic, so I can just get it at the supermarket. I've tried the natural ginger slices, but never tried cooking with it. I recall reading that ginger has some receptors in the gut - I guess why it helps with stomach issues. I love the natural ginger ale - helps soothe any stomach upsets.
 

cherubim

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I came across this article on autoimmunity as being linked to 'activations by bacteria and viruses' and how vitamin A helps this. My daily vitamin has vitamin A in it, but apparently 'the little buggers' as someone referred to viruses can skew this. (If I read the article properly, which at times I don't) Wonder if anyone here has ever tried taking high dose vitamin A - in the form of carotenes?

I read before that A was coined "the anti-infective" vitamin awhile back. It would also serve a dual purpose of healing any leaky gut issues.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090301181421.htm
 

Veet

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@cherubim I'm eating about 1/2 kg / 1 lb carrots daily. I've understood this to be for the antioxidant properties, but I've recently read that they also affect cardiovascular function, and my most annoying symptoms at present seem to be POTS-lite. My illness has not been accompanied by infection, but I do have autoimmunity issues. According to Cronometer, I'm getting 3440% RDA Vit A.
 

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