HDCs Restore Immune Tolerance.

Remy

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Aren't they cute?

HDC comes from grain beetles (common in our food because grain is everywhere and totally benign) and is similar to helminth therapy, but unlike that therapy, these critters are limited to the gut and cannot go systemic. This makes me think of them more like a probiotic.

Here is autism expert, Dr Sid Baker, discussing the therapy with Dave Asprey. There's also a written transcript.
https://www.bulletproofexec.com/sid-baker-311/



I copied this from the Center for Holistic Medicine's FB page...

HDC Therapy
Biome Restoration

HDC (Hymenolepis diminuta cysticercoids) is the larval stage of a small helminth(round worm). It grows in grain beetles, like mealy worm beetles, which were commonly in our food supply up until about 100 years ago.(biome restoration)

This therapy is a relatively novel concept of ingesting larval worms to restore our missing macrobiomes. At the recent TACA(Talk About Curing Autism) conference, Dr. Sidney Baker a renowned autism doctor shed light on this topic.

He has been using this product on his clients for a few years now and has found remarkable improvements in the immune system especially of individuals with Autism and Alopecia. He has even started to grow and supply the organism.

Dr. Baker is feels that the epidemics that are occurring today involve “loss of immune tolerance”. What is immune tolerance, our bodies ability to screen and tolerate itself and benign things in the environment(Peanuts, pollen, milk, eggs etc).

Our ancestors were once colonized by a different gut microbiome and macrobiome. The macrobiome includes larger organisms like parasites. HDC is an organism in the macrobiome, although it is not considered a parasite, because it does no harm to its host.

The hygeine hypothesis states that our immune systems are less adept at handling our current environment, because we are not exposed to a diversity of bacteria and parasites. Without this exposure autoimmunity, allergy and other chronic medical conditions can occur.

The theory behind this is fascinating, and I feel that there is a role for this in prevention and treatment of autoimmunity and other conditions that revolve around loss of bacterial diversity in the gut.

The cost of this product is around 42 dollars per month. It is taken as a small amount of clear tasteless liquid every 2 weeks. If you have an autoimmune condition and are interested in trying this therapy, I would advise you to speak to your doctor.
The website listed below supplies and provides information on this therapy.

http://biomerestoration.com/hdc/

According to Dr Baker in the interview posted above, the HDC from the UK source are very good and work just fine. But you can also have your doctor call him and he will facilitate delivery of the HDC he is raising here. I called him today and nearly fell over when he answered the phone himself!

All in all, this is a very cheap therapy if you compare it to something like LDI. I'm curious if it works!
 

rebar

Active Member
Thank you Remy, this is fascinating and I'm going to give this a shot.
Did he have anything to say about ME/CFS?
 

Remy

Administrator
Thank you Remy, this is fascinating and I'm going to give this a shot.
Did he have anything to say about ME/CFS?
Not in particular, unfortunately. More just about developing immune tolerance in general...
 

rebar

Active Member
Remy,
I'm thinking of ordering from the UK. What dose and how often did Dr. Baker recommend?
 

Remy

Administrator
Remy,
I'm thinking of ordering from the UK. What dose and how often did Dr. Baker recommend?
Dr Baker didn't recommend a dose...because he doesn't sell directly to patients. He recommends a dose to the doctor you work with and ships to the doctor, not the patient.

But these are the dosing instructions on the Biome Restoration website:

Dosing will certainly be very individual. Listen to your body, observe your children carefully. You will figure out the optimal dose for you.

People take varying amounts of HDC in weekly to monthly doses. (Biome Restoration recommends you do not take them more than once per week.) If you have concerns, discuss dosing with your doctor. A very small minority of people report some mild stomach upset with HDC ingestion. Simply drop your dose for a time, until this side effect vanishes.
Most people take a vial of 30-60 HDC every 2 to 3 weeks.

The most common protocol used in children is to start with 1 vial of 10 HDC. If no side effects occur, increase to 20 HDC in 2 or 3 weeks. If side effects are seen, stay at that dose for at least one more vial, in 2 or 3 weeks, typically until no side effects occur. Then proceed to a vial of 20 HDC and again, if no side effects are seen, move up to a maintenance subscription of a vial of 30 HDC in 2 or 3 weeks.

There are some children and adults on doses as high as 60 HDC every 2 weeks.

The risk of colonization, while very low, does exist, and may be more likely in children or in those who are immune-suppressed (see FAQ below “Who should not take HDCs?”). Two children, that we are aware of, over time developed severe stomach cramps associated with HDCs. If severe stomach upset occurs, discontinue use and consult your doctor immediately. You may need to treat with an anti-helminth medication to remove the HDCs, if needed. (See FAQ below “What happens if I don’t like the HDCs?)

In our shipping solution, the HDC will live for the 8-11 days for international shipping and then another week in your refrigerator. However, based on laboratory studies, we recommend that OUR PRODUCT BE USED WITHIN 7 DAYS OF ARRIVING AT YOUR HOUSE IN THE REFRIGERATOR AS THIS WILL ENSURE TOTAL VIABILITY. WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT, WHEN FINANCIALLY VIABLE, YOU USE OUR EXPEDITED SHIPPING OPTION, ESPECIALLY DURING EXTREME WEATHER MONTHS (HEAT AND COLD).
 

Remy

Administrator
Remy,
I'm thinking of ordering from the UK. What dose and how often did Dr. Baker recommend?
This is what I got back from the company when I asked about adult dosing...

Sensitive adults (people who tend to react a lot to things) do often ramp up like the children. People though who generally tend to do well on things typically start at a vial of 30.
 

Who Me?

Well-Known Member
My NP brought this up with me last year. There was a reason besides the ick factor that I didn't do it.

I'll go back through my emails and see if I can find the link to the place she suggested. She said they were using this with autism.
 

Who Me?

Well-Known Member
This is from my post on PR. It is from the same place.

I just came back from seeing my NP and she asked if I had heard of Helminthic Therapy. When she told me what it was I said that had to be grosser than fecal transplants. She disagreed. She asked me to ask around here and was up for me trying it (ugh) She said they are using this for Autism and it is a great antiviral. It uses:

Our product, HDC (Hymenolepis diminuta cysticercoid), is the microscopic larva of a type of helminth: that is, a higher organism (animal life) which normally lives in people. Up until about 75 years ago, prior to modern food handling practices, HDC was common in our food supply as it grows in grain beetles, like the common mealy bug. It is still common in less developed countries today, where grains and other foods which are not highly processed and frequently eaten raw.

http://biomerestoration.com

Sorry I had originally misspelled this and didn't see earlier threads.

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/helminths-me.33729/#post-522406
Here's the thread

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/helminthic-therapy-anyone.38887/#post-621923
 

rebar

Active Member
Hi Remy, did you follow through? I'd made up my mind and intended to order yesterday, now I'm procrastinating.
 

Remy

Administrator
Hi Remy, did you follow through? I'd made up my mind and intended to order yesterday, now I'm procrastinating.
I gave the form to my doctor yesterday. I'm going to give it a shot, yes. I'd really like to improve my gut.
 

rebar

Active Member
Ok so I ordered, a one time trial of 20 critters. If it goes well I'll subscribe. I've got several issues I'm hoping will be helped. What type of Dr. is writing your prescription?
I'm hesitant asking my ME/CFS specialist until I give it a trial.
It may be interesting o compare cost, Uk vs. domestic.
 

luelma

New Member
Hi Remy
Just wondering if you have taken and if you have had benefits?

I am pretty much all out of options and continuing in an existence that has no quality is impossible but I yearn and need to live!

Gut problems are the centre of my illness (100% bedridden and often unable to even sit up due to cardiac-exhaustion severity; a 9 year sore throat that began my particular version of this mad illness, is so bad I am unable to speak. The most unbearable and key feature of my illness has been suicide-inducing gut pain attacks. Recently, with further declines I've also been losing the ability to eat

...I've long left working with mainstream medics but scare integrated practitioners who give up on me /tell me to go to hospital which is a total impossibility as it would only cause irreparable harm and unendurable further suffering and decline.

I did three 10-days FMTs over four months in 2010-11 when I had more energy and wasn't bedridden but was experiencing the suicide-inducing gut pain attacks (lasting 70+ hours) every few days. The first one was the only thing I've tried in nine years of robust protocols (I am trained in nutrition and had an excellent diet pre-illlness honed through my work and due to my gut problems) restored me to near normal stools - having not formed a normal stool and been reliant on excessively copious amounts of magnesium throughout my illness (and for some years before). The benefits devastatingly were short-lived and further FMTs failed to help but I am keen to try the HCTs but somehow need to contact Sid Baker as my condition is so severe and complex. You mention you got straight through on the phone - I wonder if there's any way you can relay how to get hold of him. I can find nothing via searchers.

I'd also love to know how you got on and hope very much it has been positive.

I gave the form to my doctor yesterday. I'm going to give it a shot, yes. I'd really like to improve my gut.
 

Remy

Administrator
Hi Remy
Just wondering if you have taken and if you have had benefits?

I am pretty much all out of options and continuing in an existence that has no quality is impossible but I yearn and need to live!

Gut problems are the centre of my illness (100% bedridden and often unable to even sit up due to cardiac-exhaustion severity; a 9 year sore throat that began my particular version of this mad illness, is so bad I am unable to speak. The most unbearable and key feature of my illness has been suicide-inducing gut pain attacks. Recently, with further declines I've also been losing the ability to eat

...I've long left working with mainstream medics but scare integrated practitioners who give up on me /tell me to go to hospital which is a total impossibility as it would only cause irreparable harm and unendurable further suffering and decline.

I did three 10-days FMTs over four months in 2010-11 when I had more energy and wasn't bedridden but was experiencing the suicide-inducing gut pain attacks (lasting 70+ hours) every few days. The first one was the only thing I've tried in nine years of robust protocols (I am trained in nutrition and had an excellent diet pre-illlness honed through my work and due to my gut problems) restored me to near normal stools - having not formed a normal stool and been reliant on excessively copious amounts of magnesium throughout my illness (and for some years before). The benefits devastatingly were short-lived and further FMTs failed to help but I am keen to try the HCTs but somehow need to contact Sid Baker as my condition is so severe and complex. You mention you got straight through on the phone - I wonder if there's any way you can relay how to get hold of him. I can find nothing via searchers.

I'd also love to know how you got on and hope very much it has been positive.
Hi Luella! Welcome to the forums...

I have not yet started the HDCs. Since I had spoken to Dr Baker, I thought I would start with his product but getting a prescription organized from my doctor has taken more time than I thought it would! I think if it doesn't come through soon, I'll go ahead and order the UK version.

When I google for Dr Baker, I got this phone number...(631) 725-9547. That's the number I called.

I'm so sorry to hear of your suffering. I'm glad you are still pursuing options though even if medical support is difficult.

Two things that hit me as I read your post...one is that it sounds an awful lot like abdominal migraines. Do you have traditional migraines ever? Sometimes, but not always, the two go together in that if you are predisposed to one, you may have the other as well.

Second, did you see the post on BPC-157? It's a peptide produced naturally and can heal the gut. It sounds kind of like a miracle. For the gut, you would take it orally rather than injecting it.

Here's the post on HR...http://www.healthrising.org/forums/threads/mixing-up-peptides.4334/ but I would start with this article

http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/03/bpc-157-orally-available-peptide-that.html

These observations clearly suggest an accelerated (or phase-shifted) angiogenic repair process in the crushed tissue of the lab animals. One that stands in line with other scientists like Krivic et al. (2006) had found previously that they promote...
  • promote tendon & ligament healing by tendon outgrowth, cell survival, and cell migration as it was observed in a rodent model of Achilles tendon rupture (Chang. 2011), and when administered in the drinking water to rats with experimentally damaged medial collateral ligaments (Cerovecki. 2010)
  • direct tendon-to-bone healing so effectivel that they may actually "successfully exchange the present reconstructive surgical methods" (Krivic. 2006),
  • counter the damaging effects of NSAIDs on the gut lining so effectively that scientists call BPC 157 "a NSAIDs antidote" one of which they say that "no other single agent has portrayed a similar array of effects" (Sikiric. 2013),
  • repair the damage that's done by inflammatory bowel disease within days of oral administration in µg or ng doses in a rodent model of IBS (Vuksic. 2007),
  • help cure perdidontitis when it is chronically administered in a rodent model of periodontitis potently enough to have scientists conclude that "BPC 157 may represent a new peptide candidate in the treatment of periodontal disease" (Keremi. 2009),
  • reverse systemic corticosteroid-impaired muscle healing, in a rodent model where it was administered with a front-load of 10µg orally once daily for 14 days to rats w/ crushed gastrocnemius muscle (Pevec. 2010 | similar benefits in a rodent study by Novinscak et al. that was published in Surgery Today in 2008), and
  • bone healing in rabbits who suffered an experimental segmental bone defect before being treated with BPC-157 (Šebečić. 1999).
@rebar, do you have anything to add?
 

luelma

New Member
Hi Luella! Welcome to the forums...

I have not yet started the HDCs. Since I had spoken to Dr Baker, I thought I would start with his product but getting a prescription organized from my doctor has taken more time than I thought it would! I think if it doesn't come through soon, I'll go ahead and order the UK version.

When I google for Dr Baker, I got this phone number...(631) 725-9547. That's the number I called.

I'm so sorry to hear of your suffering. I'm glad you are still pursuing options though even if medical support is difficult.

Two things that hit me as I read your post...one is that it sounds an awful lot like abdominal migraines. Do you have traditional migraines ever? Sometimes, but not always, the two go together in that if you are predisposed to one, you may have the other as well.

Second, did you see the post on BPC-157? It's a peptide produced naturally and can heal the gut. It sounds kind of like a miracle. For the gut, you would take it orally rather than injecting it.

Here's the post on HR...http://www.healthrising.org/forums/threads/mixing-up-peptides.4334/ but I would start with this article

http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/03/bpc-157-orally-available-peptide-that.html



@rebar, do you have anything to add?
Hi Remy

Thanks so much for your reply and apologies for my delay - I went into another of my agonising gut pain attacks -the returned increase in frequency is intolerable but i think, in part down, to me trying to cut down the extreme amount of magnesium citrate i am forced to take to eliminate even paritally in a hugely unnatural and explosive way. It seems i cannot do this until i find a way of restoring my biome and addressing the legion things i have tried and failed with over and over for nine long years!

I didnt have migraines until 2.5 yrs into my illness (xmas day 2010) and they really ratcheted up in volume in 2014. But gut attacks - though officially less strong in the horrific pain they mete out than the supersonic migraines i now get are so much worse because i cant cope with GI pain. I dont think they're abodminal migraines per se. But then not one thing i have ever found in any medical literature has come close to describing my GI symptoms or the pain attacks. All i know is i need my life back and my gut is at the core of doing so.

I cant speak due to severe sore throat and so cant call Dr Baker which is a real shame as i'd love someone to discuss my case with him. I've had good contact with his protegee - the mum with an autistic child who set up biome restoration in the UK but its such a guessing game as to a) whether it will help restore a massively microbially narrow biome to healthier diversity and at what stage to do it. I am sure pathogen killing needs to take place effectively but I only get worse on all attempts because my elimination and detox pathways are so screwed. Its a real impasse. I'd love to know you how get on with your HDCs (is it only possible through this forum or is there a way we can email?)

The BPC-157 thing i'd heard of vaguely but not looked into beyond the HR posting which didnt seem to say much. the other you provided is good. Aiding gut lining repair is certainly so key and i seem to have been told that L Glutamine (tried so many times before anywya and a gut repair formula i made myself with slippery elm, marshmallow root, marigold and chamomile powder was a bad thing as recent live blood cell analysis showed sky high oxalates and i eat so little anyway i cant control (and dont believe - for me - diet is the path to healing since i have done SO SO SO much on this front) having a really low oxalate diet. So the qtn remains - how does one aid healing the gut epithelium. Have you tried? If so i'd be fascinated to hear how anyone with severe GI problems got on with it?
thanks again and apologies ahead of any delays in replies - it is only symptoms that get in the way!
 

Who Me?

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@luelma

went into another of my agonising gut pain attacks -the returned increase in frequency is intolerable but i think, in part down, to me trying to cut down the extreme amount of magnesium citrate i am forced to take to eliminate even paritally in a hugely unnatural and explosive way. It seems i cannot do this until i find a way of restoring my biome and addressing the legion things i have tried and failed with over and over for nine long years!
If I'm reading this correctly I have a similar problem. I use mag citrate on desperate days, I also really like Fleet liquid glycerine suppositories and when I feel up to it I use a cleansing enema.

I just started taking digestive enzymes and that is really making a difference. Going almost every day.

I'm trying to adapt some stuff I got from here.

http://www.healthrising.org/forums/threads/leaky-gut-why-eating-dirt-should-be-part-of-your-daily-routine.4654/#post-21821
 

Who Me?

Well-Known Member
@Remy Can you direct me to the form? Is this available in the US? My NP is really into this so I want some info to give to her Wednesday. My freaking brain can't manage all this info. Thanks.
 

Who Me?

Well-Known Member
@rebar This is from my link earlier. Santino took some.

I started with HDC on 10 July. I started with 20 HDC. I am hypersensitive to many things. At the same time I injected 1000 micrograms of hydroxocobalamine and 5mg folic acid and I also used four leeches...

I had no side effects for 4-5 days but since then it triggered my rapid cycling bipolar symptoms very heavy for 5 days. But I have no idea if this is due to the HDC, b12-depot or leeches. The reaction came up immediately after using the leeches, but this maybe coincidence. This was 4-5 days after first intake of HDC. I took the second dose HDC 11 days later, again 20. And again 4 days after that a flare of all symptoms came up. I cannot say for sure which triggered my symptoms. I jsut pray to god that they soon calm down because it is horrible. The reason I think it is due to the HDC is, that the flares are triggered by foods especially and come along with a weird sensation in my belly. This sensation was also there in the first 12 h after intake of HDC.

The supplier told me, that at first it may enhance inflammatory response before it can have a calming effect on my immune systems.

My advice for you is:
join the facebook group helminthic therapy and ask there. The administrator is really competent and you can trust him that he says just what he knows from either experience or scientific literature.


I did much research myself and as helminths do NOT decrease immunity against pathogens, I would recommend it as a trial. But if you are hypersensitive like me, start out with 10 for maybe a months and up the dose later if you can tolerate. I regret it to have used 20 but you never know before. 20 is a moderate dose for adults. But because of my sensitivity it was stupid.

Maybe I have to break my experiment because of my flaring rapid cycling which is horrible and dangerous because of mixed states of depression with agitation...


HDC has helped many patients who suffer from anxiety, bipolar disorder or depression. Mostly those people wanted to help their allergies or other issues and noticed that effect!


Good luck!
 

Remy

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@Remy Can you direct me to the form? Is this available in the US? My NP is really into this so I want some info to give to her Wednesday. My freaking brain can't manage all this info. Thanks.
Which form? The one for Dr Baker?

You don't need a prescription to order from the one in the UK.
 

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