What about DMT and/or Ayahuasca?

[Folk]

Well just watched the documentary DMT: The Spirit Molecule. (Link at the end of the post)

It's a pretty hard to get drug, specially by legal means, but Ayahuasca is kind of very easy to find (here in Brazil at least).

I want to know if anyone is aware of any anedoctal cases about DMT/Ayahuasca in CFS/ME and FMS or if anyone here have tried it.

I'm not going into the whole spiritual stuff, but there are interesting facts that we can analyze there.
We naturally have DMT in our body, and it's supposed to be released in REM sleep (which is known to be a problem among us)
The perception of pain is another big hit there. And is common to here Ayahuasca anedoctal cases about that.

So, what you've got?

Link:

 

[John Moore]

Well just watched the documentary DMT: The Spirit Molecule. (Link at the end of the post)

It's a pretty hard to get drug, specially by legal means, but Ayahuasca is kind of very easy to find (here in Brazil at least).

I want to know if anyone is aware of any anedoctal cases about DMT/Ayahuasca in CFS/ME and FMS or if anyone here have tried it.

I'm not going into the whole spiritual stuff, but there are interesting facts that we can analyze there.
We naturally have DMT in our body, and it's supposed to be released in REM sleep (which is known to be a problem among us)
The perception of pain is another big hit there. And is common to here Ayahuasca anedoctal cases about that.

So, what you've got?

Link:

I will watch the video on DMT, thanks Folk! I have no experience with plant teachers but have been following people like Terence Mckenna recently and I am interested.

 

[cigana]

Well just watched the documentary DMT: The Spirit Molecule. (Link at the end of the post)

It's a pretty hard to get drug, specially by legal means, but Ayahuasca is kind of very easy to find (here in Brazil at least).

I want to know if anyone is aware of any anedoctal cases about DMT/Ayahuasca in CFS/ME and FMS or if anyone here have tried it.

I'm not going into the whole spiritual stuff, but there are interesting facts that we can analyze there.
We naturally have DMT in our body, and it's supposed to be released in REM sleep (which is known to be a problem among us)
The perception of pain is another big hit there. And is common to here Ayahuasca anedoctal cases about that.

So, what you've got?

Link:

This person received instant remission from Ayahuasca:
http://www.cfs-healing.info/treatment-results.htm

And these people cured their CFS with DMT:
https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=76579
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41443
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=36754
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32958
and these people improved dramatically:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=44780
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53812

 

[Paw]

How about a regimen of LDDMT (low-dose DMT) every night?!

It's all very intriguing. Fortunately, research into psychedelics has been picking up again in recent years (or so I've read) -- after being squelched for a few decades during the drug wars.

I guess it's possible that those with ME who respond positively to DMT are addressing a physical problem involving their body's DMT production (it is interesting that DMT is part of the serotonin chain, which is a pretty common "supplement" for ME/FM sufferers). But it seems more likely to me that the positive physical response is a result of the DMT experience (trip) itself.

Makes me wonder if there are any reports of ME people healed after near-death experiences. (DMT proponents say one if its main functions is to prepare the brain and consciousness for their dissolution.)

 

[Folk]

But it seems more likely to me that the positive physical response is a result of the DMT experience (trip) itself.

I think it's more likely that people would give that reason instead of that being the real reason

This person received instant remission from Ayahuasca:
http://www.cfs-healing.info/treatment-results.htm

And these people cured their CFS with DMT:
https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=76579
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41443
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=36754
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32958
and these people improved dramatically:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=44780
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53812

Niceee @cigana, I'm reading that for sure! Your name ain't in vain ^^

 

[Who Me?]

bump

 

[Merida]

I wish I knew what "bump" means? I understand that ayahuasca can make people very sick. Of course the whole point of this plant in indigenous culture was to reach an altered state of consciousness so that helping spirits could be contacted for healing and guidance. There are some great books by Michael Harner, a UC Berkley educated anthropologist - The Way of the Shaman, Cave and Cosmos, Hallucinogens and Shamanism.

But most indigenous cultures do not use hallucinogens. They use drumming, rattling, dancing, singing to reach altered states of awareness. Dr. Harner founded The Foundation for Shamanic Studies, which is hoping to continue the ideas/procedures of core shamanic practice - that is, what things are common to shamanism in all cultures.

If you think you want to explore this, I recommend reading Harner's books, and a book by anthropologist William Lyon, Spirit Talkers. I think it will change you view of what is possible.

So, after a lot of reading I took a weekend intensive in core shamanism, sponsored by The Foundation for Shamanic Studies - using drumming to reach an altered state. Fascinating, interesting. Is this an avenue to healing? I don't know - yet. I appreciate that QiGong is probably an outgrowth of East Asian shamanism.

 

[Who Me?]

Bump just moves a thread to the top so people see it again.

 

[Merida]

Whew!

 

[Merida]

And thank you for explaining the @ thing. I think I got it.

 

[Who Me?]

@Merida you're welcome (oh when typed it correctly the user ID will come up in a little box.