I'm trying Carnivore Diet temporarily

Not dead yet!

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I'm not an expert on this diet, but basically it's just eating meat and water. Most practitioners seem to get off of coffee and some use it to recover from addiction, based on the anecdotes online. Most recipes I've seen include spices and flavorings, most include dairy and eggs, and most suggest primarily eating beef or bovid creatures (venison, elk, etc). In my very short experience, nothing satisfies my hunger like beef. I can go 16 hours on a large steak with nothing else but water. I drink coffee as well, and apparently many people do.

It seems to be helping my gut to be less gassy and bloated. It has caused a return of strength. I have Celiac disease and I was diagnosed with anemia more than 10 years before my Celiac diagnosis. So for me, the beef effect is possibly due to my body having trouble absorbing iron. I can't promise the same effect for everyone and wouldn't anyway. I don't believe in diet dogma.

If you want to try it, then I'd give these warnings:

1. Watch out for the "carnivore bread" type recipes on youtube. I'm not convinced they aren't junk food. Keep to the simple recipes for best results.

2. Careful of the public forums where carnivore is discussed. It seems to be a target of "incel brigading" and some really vicious attitudes against women were under active discussion on reddit when I visited there. The sad thing is, the diet itself works really well. Maybe it's due to the number of people using the diet for addiction.

3. Sometimes they use the argument that since you can't prove anything about diet, that means science has failed to teach us anything, and therefore you should just do what you want. I prefer to know what science has to say, even if it's not much. I've seen claims from the Carnivore community that you don't need to eat organ meat, while also praising the explorers for their all meat diet (the explorers said organ meats are essential. So that set off my marketing alarm.

There are good places to learn about it, such as places in the UK that use all meat dieting temporarily as an Elimination Diet baseline. And some of the blogs are interesting, like a blogger or two who has re-evaluated their diet and is now like, "Well, I've been promoting/influencing for supplements all this time, now I don't need them, what now?" I'll offer some links here and if you know of more, please contribute. If we get a good response and if others feel like their strength returns with Carnivore, it may become a resource.

Sites to see:

https://www.shawn-baker.com/ (MD in the US who promotes the diet and has an informative book)

https://rosemarycottageclinic.co.uk/blog/2019/01/20/10-tips-for-plant-free-and-carnivore-diets/ (UK nutritionist using all meat elimination diet for food allergies)

https://meatrx.com/category/recipes/dairy-and-egg-free/ (big archive of recipes, which include many I'd consider too fancy, but may help when one is transitioning; this link is to the more traditional carnivore recipes)

Overall it's an avenue that's worth knowing about and for some people may be worth pursuing. I can't say it's directly helping just the ME/CFS since I have the Celiac/anemia aspect to deal with also. But since it helped me feel more capable and *completely* stopped the dizzyness from bending over at the waist, I think it's worth mentioning.

It's also simple to do, especially if you rely on a simple cooking device like an Instant Pot instead of pan frying. Pan frying can cause some serious cleanup issues for people who are not prepared to use a lot of energy scrubbing. It simplifies shopping as well.
 

Apo Sci

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The carnivore diet is one of the newer nutritional fads. I agree with many nutritionists who think it is a really bad idea. My reasons are as follows. The human species is omnivorous. While we can survive on meat for a while, we are adapted to eating plants and cutting them out of the diet will really interfere with several very important functions of the human body.
  • Elimination requires vegetable fiber. Fiber, the indigestible parts of plants are what gives your feces the consistency that is required to allow the muscles of the intestinal walls to propel it through the digestive tract. Without it you can get severe constipation and develop a serious medical condition called impaction. https://www.relias.com/blog/the-fatal-four-how-constipation-impacts-health
  • Your symbiotic intestinal bacteria require fiber for their nutrition. These bacteria are critical for your immune system to function optimally, lift your mood by making amino acid precursors that are natural antidepressants and guard against depression and are necessary to keep blood clotting working right since they convert vitamin K1 to K2. Eating only meat changes the kind of bacteria from a healthy balance to one that promotes disease.
Wanting to test the idea of harmful vs helpful bacteria a year ago I did an experiment where I changed the kind of bacteria I use in my yogurt cultures from the normal balanced kind to one that only had the supposedly "beneficial" bacteria, lacking the harmful ones (acidophilus strains) that promote weight gain. For thousands of years we have been getting bacteria from our environment when we ate unwashed plants. Science has determined that the types of bacteria that colonize your gut are determined largely by the balance of vegetables to meat plus having many types of bacteria available from the environment to select from. The end result was the opposite of what I expected and I suffered a large increase in symptoms of depression because the acidophilus bacteria was actually helping my mental state most likely through creating amino acids used in the the Shintamaki cycle which convert to antidepressant neurotransmitters and worsened my depression by so much that I needed to go on antidepressant treatment. The best diet is proven to eat small amounts of animal proteins and a large amount of plants with a mixed balance of bacteria eaten as either yogurt or from live cultures in fermented vegetables. This lowers your cancer risk and makes your body and its symbiotic bacteria happy.

Even people that eat a lot of meat still traditionally include vegetables as sea grasses and kelp which is essential for vitamin C and fiber (although eating large amounts of meat may spare some vitamin C, reducing the amount needed).



 
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Larry

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As long as you up your fat intake gradually and SUBSTANTIALLY, its a really cool tool to use for a period of time. Use it asa learning opportunity. I would caution though. MOST PEOPLE DO THIS IMPROPERLY. You will 100% down regulate your metabolism over time. This is not good for healing from CFS in my experience. While it does give you an opportunity to better understand how energy flows in your body, it will also use somewhat of a stress response to crate energy. Done over long time, your body will change. The whisper on the street in the right communities is that a dis regulated body become hyper sensitive to things. Reducing those things will greatly reduce the stress reactions to food.. I've done it. You will feel different. Done to excess and without the proper amounts of fat, it can be damaging...especially to the gut lining.. You can monitor some of this via SLGA1 &SLGA2 in a stool sample.
 

Not dead yet!

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As long as you up your fat intake gradually and SUBSTANTIALLY, its a really cool tool to use for a period of time. Use it asa learning opportunity. I would caution though. MOST PEOPLE DO THIS IMPROPERLY. You will 100% down regulate your metabolism over time. This is not good for healing from CFS in my experience. While it does give you an opportunity to better understand how energy flows in your body, it will also use somewhat of a stress response to crate energy. Done over long time, your body will change. The whisper on the street in the right communities is that a dis regulated body become hyper sensitive to things. Reducing those things will greatly reduce the stress reactions to food.. I've done it. You will feel different. Done to excess and without the proper amounts of fat, it can be damaging...especially to the gut lining.. You can monitor some of this via SLGA1 &SLGA2 in a stool sample.
I'm definitely hypersensitive to things. I have Celiac disease, my T cells are messed up permanently and they can recognize "gluten" mimics on the surfaces of many ordinary, every day, gut flora bacterias. All I need to react to a food is a slight change in gut flora and I"m reading everything in my kitchen going, "OMG does one of these have gluten?" LOL

One of the problems I see with the carnivore diet, so far, is that it dropped my Calcium levels. Which wouldn't bother a man, but it bothers a woman a lot. Well, second hand it bothers a man, since it intensifies PMS. :) Among other things, like I suddenly had a return of bone aching pain.

Once I supplemented properly with calcium, I improved and the pain went away. This is starting to make me suspect a hyperparathyroid issue.

Another thing I'd have to go to a specialist clinic to find out!
 

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