Method to Rebalance Autonomic Nervous System in 14 days?

Veet

Well-Known Member
@Remy You've started a trend!;) I found I can lie on the bed, put my legs up onto the bookshelf that serves as my headboard. Don't even have to leave the comfort of my bed.:) Only 15" the first time, now I'll be going to 30". Initial responses when I ask my body are +.
Thanks for this, calming down sympathetic is top of my list for this year's healing.
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Remy

Administrator
This is so easy to try! Fun fun fun.

The only picture I found of the doctor and a chair show him lying on the floor with his legs up on one of those doctor-type 4 wheeled rolling seats with no back. So I'm guessing that having the head lower than the body isn't crucial.

When he explained it on the podcast, he was a little more detailed about the position. My sense is that he was doing an "on the fly" demonstration in that picture. I'd really try to get your butt at least someone above your head if you can...gravity is our friend. :)
 

madie

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When he explained it on the podcast, he was a little more detailed about the position. My sense is that he was doing an "on the fly" demonstration in that picture. I'd really try to get your butt at least someone above your head if you can...gravity is our friend. :)
It's easy to get my head lower, but what's the reason for it? It feels counter-intuitive to make it harder for my body to pump fluids out of my head.
 

Remy

Administrator
It's easy to get my head lower, but what's the reason for it? It feels counter-intuitive to make it harder for my body to pump fluids out of my head.
As soon as you stand up, gravity will take care of the fluid in your head. The idea is to get some there in the first place! :)
 

San Diego

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Thanks @Remy - Day one down, 13 to go. It does seem counterintuitive, as we have trouble being upright but are trying to solve it by being even more upside down.

For the first few minutes, I had the odd sensation of my heart beating hard in my stomach. Can’t say I’ve felt that before. It wasn’t worrisome or painful, just odd.

I fell asleep half way thru, so it must have been pretty comfortable. :)
 

Upgrayedd

Active Member
I'd like to try this right now, but if I did, my coworkers would think I had a heart attack/stroke and call the ambulance!

I'm definitely giving this a go at home...
 

bobby

Well-Known Member
I guess where I differ is that I see the overly active stress response as a symptom of the disease, not the cause.

I think it makes sense to address all the symptoms, from headaches and dizziness to my overactive startle response but I'm not expecting laying in this chair to cure me or anything. Although I'd take it if it did!
yes, I agree, the stress response is definitely not a cause, but rather an effect. If you can soothen that stress response a little bit by doing this chair thing, that will surely be of benefit somehow. It's just that the gupta and other programs say that if you can get that stress response under control, your entire body will just magically turn back to health. I've tried it, it doesn't work that way.

But I'm gonna try the chair thing, I found a chair type thing in my house that I can use for it. And I love cheap and easy things to try out! :)
 

Wayne

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OK, so in my never-ending quest to improve my autonomic nervous system balance and balance the sympathetic and parasympathetic arms,

Hi @Remy

I'm intrigued by your post, but for the most part feel pretty baffled by the descriptions on how to do this exercise. Unfortunately, understanding directions on how to do various kinds of exercises similar to this has long been a challenge for me (since my brain dysfunction started).

I did do a fair amount of googling on this topic however, and watched a bunch of videos today on the vagus nerve. As much as I thought I knew about it, I feel I got quite an education today. One thing that caught my attention, was that it is apparently the key for initiating a parasympathetic response.

I ended up running across an intriguing 2-min. video on how to reset the vagus nerve. Interestingly, she says it only takes 15 seconds! Here's a link... --- Resetting the Vagus Nerve. She mentions in the video that the device she uses is the "Accu Point Pen". It costs about $15 at Amazon, and from the few comments I read, sounds fairly interesting.

I'm intrigued enough to consider getting it, as I feel my vagus nerve function was seriously affected by a head injury/whiplash when I was a teenager. --- BTW, one other thing I discovered today is that a "toned" vagus nerve is important to control inflammation, which made sense to me if it truly is the primary catalyst for initiating a parasympathetic response.
 

madie

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@Wayne I'm lying anywhere easy and comfortable where I can support my legs at a 90 degree angle.

I can lie on the floor with my butt right against the couch, legs on the couch cushion. Or I can lie on the couch with my feet on the couch arm if it's low enough, or flat against the couch arm if it's too high.

After you figure this out, you can add in the slightly dropped head if you want to.

I watched your video and the next one up showed stimulating the vagus nerve through breathing at 5 breaths per minute. Which fits perfectly with lying in this position while listening to a brain-wave entrainment CD.

I'm already using a Delta wave CD to balance out my insomnia issues. So this doesn't add anything to my day, I've just changed position.
 
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bobby

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Which fits perfectly with lying in this position while listening to a brain-wave entrainment CD.
I've tried brainwave and other similar things, but I feel overstimulated after barely two minutes. Do you have sensitivities like that, or have you found a CD that doesn't overstimulate? (if so, I'd like to try it! :))
 

madie

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I've tried brainwave and other similar things, but I feel overstimulated after barely two minutes. Do you have sensitivities like that, or have you found a CD that doesn't overstimulate? (if so, I'd like to try it! :))
Yes, I have a small collection!

I started with Hemi-Sync years ago; Journey Home was a favorite for a decade.

About a year ago I discovered iAwake. I own and use Schumann Holophonic, Deep Delta, and Sleeping Heart. I also use their Profound Meditation 3.0, which includes 2 CDs with delta waves.

I bought special headphones that emit all of the frequencies, and I keep the sound level just high enough to hear everything. I am sensitive to loud or sudden noises, but am sensitive in a positive way to music.
 
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Remy

Administrator
Can't u just lie on the floor with your legs at a ninety degree angle on the sofa?
You could, but you get better blood flow to your head if your butt is slightly higher than your head. You could use a bolster though under your hips if that is easier for you.
 

Prashanti

Member
I will give this a try. I know it is something that helps with lower back problems. It was interesting to read that the psoas has to do with the fear response. I flew out of a car in 1989 and fractured my pelvis in 7 places. I had to learn to walk again...so I'm sure it affected my psoas. As I had a near death experience with the accident I didn't experience fear on an emotional level. However, the physical body certainly had it's share of trauma. The cfs started sometime after the accident.
 

Cort

Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising
Staff member
A chiropracter on Facebook said left this message:

Balancing the nervous system is essential, but it will take more than this.

This position is known as "neutral back" in physical therapy. More to the point are ways to release the psoas muscle that can bring about deep relaxation of muscle and realign the core all the way up to the neck. One is called "corrective rest" and there different ways to do it. You will walk differently.

Even more important can be an underdeveloped palate that that imposes sympathetic overdive You have to address the whole container of the nervous system from the cranium to the sacrum. There are ways to expand with tongue, fingers, and orthdontic appliances.

All these should free the breath when they work. I will post my article on dental subluxation later, and my website describes a the Brain Body Balance method that describes how i put these things together.

Most chiropractors, like other health specialists, are missing a big part of the picture. They miss how the teeth and narrowness of the upper palate determine posture, the nervous system and brain.

The basic idea of chiropractic is that vertebrae that are not aligned pinch nerves to create pain and restrict flow of impulses to organs and organ activity. The worst case is when the brain is constrained, as the command center of the nervous system. When the upper palate is underdeveloped from childhood (as seen in crowded teeth) the cranial bone next to that, the sphenoid, is constrained and that crowds the other cranial bones and can affect brain functioning. Cranial bones are actually separated by small sutures, including the bones of the upper mouth.

When the bones are crowded it stresses the brain to create a permanent stress response, low level and imperceptible, known as autonomic nervous system disregulation or sympathetic overdrive.This weakens ability to rest, heal, and regenerate and thus can be one root cause of many diseases and symptoms like "adrenal fatigue," chronic fatigue, insomnia, sleep apnea, and just about anything. This is systemic problem much bigger than any particular nerve in the back or neck,

Posture is affected because a narrow palate creates a narrow airway which requires a forward head posture to breath. People with this constraint have trouble talking when they bring their head back over their shoulders. This curve in the neck sets up excessive curves all the way down the spine, often with forward hip posture and a sunken chest familiar to all since this has become a postural epidemic.

http://www.primalrejuvenation.com/brain-body-balance.html
 

bobby

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@Cort that is interesting! I've heard that so many times, that every bone in our body influences the rest of the body.

I was wondering how narrow a narrow palate is, and saw this explanation from NIH. although that didn't make things crystal clear for me either ;)
https://elementsofmorphology.nih.gov/index.cgi?tid=70a0a128965515c4
NIH said:
Objective: Width of the palate more than 2 SD below the mean

Subjective: apparently decreased palatal width
Comments:
Palatal width is measured as the distance between the maxillary first permanent molar on the right and left sides, at the lingual cervical line, using a specific device. Palate width is typically assessed subjectively in routine clinical practice.

Narrowing is often associated with a High palate, but this should be assessed and coded separately. Gingival overgrowth can give the impression of a narrow palate but should be distinguished and coded separately.

The term "gothic palate" is used to indicate that the roof of the palate is not round but rather has an inverted V-shape, and therefore, only the upper part of the palate is narrow.
 

Lissa

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Wow! That is fascinating info... I happen to have a very small mouth. Need to use child size X-rays at the dentist as adult sized are so big they hurt me.

When I was in high school I had to wear an orthodontic appliance to stretch my palate to make more room. I had my canine teeth coming in too high and overlapping other teeth in front. Thankfully the appliance helped pull them into place.

I also had zero space for my wisdom teeth to come in. They were buried underneath my back molars. My orthodontist was brilliant -- had all 4 back molars pulled to make room for the wisdom teeth. Sooooooo thrilled with the long term outcome of all the work, plus braces. :) It was worth all the pain!

And gee, go figure.... I have had terrible posture since I was a kid too. Rounded shoulders, head forward. Just as described. Pronounced kyphosis, and a mild scoliosis.

Problem is --- just sooooooo many weird commonalities to be had! How can all these things (including a zillion other threads of things we also have in common) be linked to a definitive "cause"? And then how does viral onset play into it all?

The billion dollar question....Can't wait for science to figure it out!!!
 

bobby

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Problem is --- just sooooooo many weird commonalities to be had! How can all these things (including a zillion other threads of things we also have in common) be linked to a definitive "cause"? And then how does viral onset play into it all?
I think there's loads of people with bad posture who are healthy though! they never go to the chiropractor or anywhere - who would, if they felt great? so they only see the people with problems. I sometimes wonder if that might give them a more narrow (hehe) point of view.
 

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