The FDA assaults CBD extracts, attempts to regulate out of existence.

Discussion in 'ME/CFS and FM News' started by Remy, Mar 20, 2016.

  1. Remy

    Remy Administrator

    Make sure you catch this part at the end:

    "The warning letters cite impermissible health claims used to market the products, as well as CBD’s invalid status as a dietary ingredient due to its presence in two drug applications currently under consideration."

    Wonder what it'll cost once Big Pharma is done with it?

     
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  2. Who Me?

    Who Me? Well-Known Member

    OMG!!! WTF? What about all the sick kids out moved to Colorado for Charlotte's Web?
     
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  3. Cort

    Cort Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising Staff Member

    One part of me says that drug companies producing products based on CBD's is a good thing. The other part says what about all the people for whom CBD products are working and who are getting them at a good price?
     
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  4. Remy

    Remy Administrator

    Listen to the other part. :)
     
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  5. Who Me?

    Who Me? Well-Known Member

    @Cort no good can come from this if the fda gets involved.

    We'll be screwed once again so someone can make a buck.
     
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  6. Cort

    Cort Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising Staff Member

    ;) ;) ;)

    I told Corinne about CBD's and their possible antiviral properties. It was old news to her - she had tried them with no effect but then she pointed me to an FDA study which found no CBD at all in some products. She didn't know if she got any CBD in the substance she tried.

    http://www.cortjohnson.org/forums/r...oid-fda-comes-down-hard-on-cbd-producers.322/

    That's why I was thinking the FDA move to call CBD a new drug might produce some standardization that could be helpful in the long run....
     
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  7. Remy

    Remy Administrator

    The FDA could allow CBD to be sold as a drug and a supplement...like Niaspan and Lovaza. Let people choose which they feel is more reliable.

    On the one hand, more stringent regulations on pain meds. On the other, taking away viable alternatives like CBD. I despair of our government sometimes.

    This is all about the money.
     
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  8. Cort

    Cort Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising Staff Member

    That sounds good. The CBD industry could self-regulate itself - if it's not doing that already - establish standards of excellence - create standardized testing procedures - set up an independent agent to test the products; then you could probably have faith..
     
  9. GG

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  10. Remy

    Remy Administrator

    Hiya @GGG!

    Particularly galling is this, "But politicians and media are making CBD oil into the good kind of cannabis while arguing that THC is the bad kind of cannabis. While that is not how any of this works, that is the case that is subtly being made.

    As that happens, two forces will likely come into play. One, in order to push the market away from small sellers and harvesters of CBD oil, states and the feds will likely create a regulatory climate that is so difficult to manage, they will, through cronyism force CBD oil into the hands of a few, which in turn limits supply and forces the price to rise considerably.

    Two, big pharmaceutical companies will being putting out a “safe”, “legitimate” form of CBD oil. That is already starting to happen."

    UGH.
     
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  11. Who Me?

    Who Me? Well-Known Member

    Makes me ill.
     
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  12. LisaR

    LisaR Member

    I think this article is completely overblown and alarmist. I can find no evidence anywhere else that THE FDA JUST OUTLAWED CBDs and HEMP OIL!!! as this article claims. The FDA did send out a batch of warning letters last February and again this February to companies selling CBD oil. The warnings related to products which were found to not contain the levels of CBD they claimed to contain, or problems related to their marketing and labelling, because they claimed their products cured or treated diseases. The latest round of warning letters went out last month and gave the companies 15 days to correct the violations. I'm sure some of you have ordered CBD since that time. It has not been outlawed. In fact, I don't think that the fact that CBD is excluded from being sold as a dietary supplement is anything new or anything that just happened, as this article implies. Issues of whether CBD is a drug or a supplement, whether it's legal to sell in all states or only states with medical marijuana laws, and the conflict that exists between MMJ being legal in some states but still illegal federally, are all issues that are complicated and still have to be worked out and only time will tell. But no one has outlawed CBD, as that article claims, as far as I can tell.
     
  13. Remy

    Remy Administrator

    The latest round of warning letters from Feb 2016 also apparently contained reference to the fact that the FDA has excluded CBD as a dietary supplement as well as the marketing/labeling violations. That's a new wrinkle that should concern everyone that uses it.

    Now they have to show that CBD was sold prior to 1994 in order to be granted an exception.

    Can you still buy CBD products today? Yes. Will that change at any moment? Almost certainly yes.

    The article may be a bit alarmist, I agree, but the threat is very, very real in my opinion.


     
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  14. LisaR

    LisaR Member

    My point is that the FDA excluding CBD as a dietary supplement is not new. It happened almost a year ago -- as opposed to that article that makes it sound like something just happened which "OUTLAWED CBDs and HEMP OIL!!" Obviously, that 2015 ruling did NOT outlaw CBD -- it's continued to be sold since then. Is it in danger? Maybe. Should we be worried? Possibly. But this has been and continues to be a gray area with much to be worked out, none of which is going to happen overnight. And the New Drug application by GW Pharmaceuticals was just filed in 2014, so I think they only have to show that CBD was marketed as a supplement before that, from what I understand. Articles from May 2015 on this: http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Regulation/FDA-says-no-to-CBD-in-supplements and http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com...overturned-after-more-info-comes-in-exec-says
     
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  15. LisaR

    LisaR Member

    BREAKING: The author of that article has just issued a major correction and taken back the word "OUTLAWED," which was completely inaccurate and overblown. There are a lot of gray areas in the law with MJ, and yes, there is cause for concern, but nothing's been outlawed and nothing is going to happen overnight. http://www.naturalnews.com/053369_CBD_hemp_oil_extract...
     
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  16. Remy

    Remy Administrator

    The crackdown is new though as is the language in the warning letters as of last month.

    This is where I got that about 1994.

    Anyway, I still think that if you want CBD you should probably try it now. And contact your lawmakers to let them know where you stand on the issue.

     
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  17. GG

    GG Well-Known Member

    Until it happens overnight :)

    GG:watching:
     
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  18. LisaR

    LisaR Member

    I see where you got the 1994. But then elsewhere in the article, it says "it is AHPA’s understanding that the earliest IND for CBD was filed in November 2007, the time when GW Pharmaceuticals announced a clinical trial of a drug containing CBD." So there's a lot of confusion around this, which is why I don't think anything is going to happen overnight. The exclusion of CBD as a supplement happened almost a year ago, and the Truth in Media article that GGG posted is from 2014, which goes to my point. Lots of gray areas for the lawyers to keep fighting out. But in the meantime, I might just go ahead and stockpile my CBD! :cool:
     
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  19. Cort

    Cort Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising Staff Member

    I think "subtle" is a kind way of putting it...
     
  20. Cort

    Cort Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising Staff Member

    Thanks for update!