Merida

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@Victor Maalouf
OMG. I did it. Pictures are worth a thousand words. These are the fronts of the SacroOccipital brochures. The distortions are exaggerated for clear demonstration . So, these pictures demonstrate the various external and internal imbalances you have 'discovered' thru a lot of incredible observation and intuitive thought.

The only thing I question is that my high hip may be on the same side as the high shoulder??? Must think and look again.

The lines inside the brain represent the dural membranes. Yes, my MRI shows dramatic torquing, with the small space/ crowding in the left lower brain/ brainstem.

Here are quotes from the brochure: "SacroOccipital Technique is so named because of the relationship between the Sacrum ( base of spine) and the Occiput (base of the skull). These two areas act as anchor points to the sac-like membrane ( Dural Membrane) which covers the brain and spinal cord. Within this membrane and surrounding the brain and spinal cord is cerebrospinal fluid( CSF).

" A minute regular rhythmic motion between the occiput and the sacrum circulates the CSF around the brain and spinal cord and throughout the nervous system. This is the circulatory system of the brain and spinal cord and its function is paramount to total health. "

" The Category 1 phenomenon occurs when the sacroiliac joints become misaligned, moving one hip forward and the other backwards. The sacrum rotates and the sacral pump loses its rhythmic function. " " The asymmetric spine results, the pelvis rotates, the shoulder girdle reciprocates and the head tilts. This distortion affects the free flow of CSF. The sacral pump becomes imbalanced and can no longer circulate the required amount of CSF around the brain and spinal cord. This leads to lack of nutrition, increase in toxicity and lowered level of nerve function around the body. "

Symptoms of Category 1 dysfunction : visceral disturbance, skin disorders, numbness in facial structures or extremities, insomnia, low back pain, headaches, nervousness, weight problems.

There is much more, but I will stop here for now. Sure hope somebody reads this besides you, Victor.
 

Merida

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@Victor Maalouf

Yes, very interesting. I appreciate what you tell me about the importance of the shoulders. I am watching the 4 hour production - -at 1 1/2 hours. Great work. Great observations. I appreciate that you needed to approach this starting from the big injury in your shoulder area. The odd sensations you felt - could that have been the dura, or meninges, stretching, or pulling, or even tearing?

Yes, my thoracic curve is flat. Also, have lost the lordosis in my neck. A Dr. Katz/ Rush University has published work that says 70 % of Fibro people have this lack of a neck curve.

Here is what The Fibromyalgia Syndrome : a Clinical Case Definition for Practitioners says: FMS patients frequently have a functional short leg due to incompetent pelvic ligaments causing a pelvic up slip. The short leg is observed more often, but not always on the left side. Also: The left shoulder is more often inferior compared to the right. "Left medial aspect of the clavicle is more often superior to the right , and the right first rib is usually superior to the left." Can't picture this, maybe you can? All this work is by Dr. Donald G. Siebel - may be Canadian.

I am amazed that you kept working despite symptom flares. Wow. You must have had some intuitive insight to push through?

My GI function was completely shut down for 8 weeks at one point. I had lost almost 25% of my of my body weight, and I was thin average before this started. I prepared to die. I could not walk to the bathroom. I could not sit up at all. Ghost- like, yes. I don't know how I lived. Maybe it was my friend who came and did healing touch. Maybe it was her love and caring that helped me turn the corner? Don't know, but getting up out of that bed and trying to get going was the hardest thing I have ever done.

By the way, Sacrum means 'sacred' in Greek. Have you read about the kundalini energy that resides there? I have read that people who do kundalini yoga/ exercises and are not prepared properly can get into big trouble. The energy can begin to rise, but can get stuck somewhere along the line of chakras. The result can be severe illness, mental and physical. Often such people are dx with mental illness, but such is not the case.

Additionally, you might read about shamanic initiation. This process always ( or almost so) involves a near death experience. If the shaman does not heed 'the call' he/she can remain ill. hmmmm.

So much more to all of this, but will take a break. Hope to have energy to write about the jaw issues from the perspective of the brilliant SOT chiros, and Craniofascial specialist, Dr. Brendan Stack.

Looking forward to the rest of your video and your paper. I am taking notes. Lots of comments/thoughts.
 
@Victor Maalouf

" I basically decided I was dead, because I knew I would have never survived in the wild hundreds/thousands of years ago like that. So I became a ghost, observing everything and turning my life into an experiment."

I often think the same. It's sub-existence.
 

Victor Maalouf

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@Victor Maalouf
OMG. I did it. Pictures are worth a thousand words. These are the fronts of the SacroOccipital brochures. The distortions are exaggerated for clear demonstration . So, these pictures demonstrate the various external and internal imbalances you have 'discovered' thru a lot of incredible observation and intuitive thought.

The only thing I question is that my high hip may be on the same side as the high shoulder??? Must think and look again.
Yes, those are definitely different phases in this musculoskeletal patterns. But look at the curvature of the spine... Where is the focal point of that curvature? Where is the epicenter of the tension that bends the spine from the pelvis to the skull?

My take (Don't know how to put a picture in the post):
http://www.cortjohnson.org/forums/media/cranio-sacral-forces.523/

It looks like it's in the shoulder.

Take a look at this Gulf War Veteran case at 2hours58minutes30seconds:

In the photo of him while still deployed you can see his entire body concaves towards his right shoulder, just like in those brochures you posted. That right shoulder is the one I refer to as "collapsed forward" while his left shoulder is relatively "retracted." You can see it in his pec musculature.

The forward collapse of that shoulder is driving the curvature in his spine, bending it like a bow. Possibly caused by the many vaccines GW vets were subjected to. In the next few clips of him walking, I point out how you can see his thoracic cage tends to shift to the right. I call it a "thoracic shift." Because a person is not going to stand, sit, and move with his spine curved like that all day. He's going to try keeping his head and shoulders level. This correction causes the thoracic leaning, and the very mild scoliosis we see in people with more severe cases of CFS/ME, FM, "chronic Lyme," and GWS.

@Victor MaaloufThe odd sensations you felt - could that have been the dura, or meninges, stretching, or pulling, or even tearing?
There is definitely some tearing going on when the structure collapses so severely. I think that's one way PEM is produced.

Here is what The Fibromyalgia Syndrome : a Clinical Case Definition for Practitioners says: FMS patients frequently have a functional short leg due to incompetent pelvic ligaments causing a pelvic up slip. The short leg is observed more often, but not always on the left side. Also: The left shoulder is more often inferior compared to the right. "Left medial aspect of the clavicle is more often superior to the right , and the right first rib is usually superior to the left." Can't picture this, maybe you can?
Yes, a "clavicle imbalance" is one of the indicators I point to in my video compilation. The clavicle of the "foward collapsed shoulder" is usually superior to the other side, and is usually on the left, but not always.

I am amazed that you kept working despite symptom flares. Wow. You must have had some intuitive insight to push through?
Based on how my symptoms clearly occurred after a string of minor injuries, and how I found stretching to give me temporary bursts of relief, I knew early on that it was all musculoskeletally rooted in me.

My GI function was completely shut down for 8 weeks at one point. I had lost almost 25% of my of my body weight, and I was thin average before this started. I prepared to die. I could not walk to the bathroom. I could not sit up at all. Ghost- like, yes. I don't know how I lived. Maybe it was my friend who came and did healing touch. Maybe it was her love and caring that helped me turn the corner? Don't know, but getting up out of that bed and trying to get going was the hardest thing I have ever done.

By the way, Sacrum means 'sacred' in Greek. Have you read about the kundalini energy that resides there? I have read that people who do kundalini yoga/ exercises and are not prepared properly can get into big trouble. The energy can begin to rise, but can get stuck somewhere along the line of chakras. The result can be severe illness, mental and physical. Often such people are dx with mental illness, but such is not the case.

Additionally, you might read about shamanic initiation. This process always ( or almost so) involves a near death experience. If the shaman does not heed 'the call' he/she can remain ill. hmmmm.

So much more to all of this, but will take a break. Hope to have energy to write about the jaw issues from the perspective of the brilliant SOT chiros, and Craniofascial specialist, Dr. Brendan Stack.

HAH! You're so full of information.
 
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Merida

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@Victor Maalouf
I am certainly paying close attention to your comments about the importance of the thoracic spine/ shoulders in this nightmare. You could be exactly right that this is the 'problem ' area that is the basis for the rotation Nd twisting of the entire spinal column.

This comment concerns how the spinal cord and bony spinal column are growing. Some scoliosis researchers have suspected asynchronous growth - the spinal cord is not growing as fast as the bony spinal column. Thus, there is tension on the spinal cord which causes the bony column to bend and twist.

Here is a recent comment by researchers, "The evidence for thoracic adolescent idiopathic scoliosis is consistent with the view that after 2 years of age,the caudal equina ( the branching of the cord into multiple neural pathways at the bottom end of the lumbar spine/ sacrum) stretches with the lumbar spine growth to produce a normal conus termination level. In contrast, the spinal cord neuraxis does not stretch fully and grow with the cervicothoracic spine, which causes traction on the upper cervical cord and brain stem. " ( newly published in Scoliosis and Spinal Disorders - new name for Scoliosis. Article : Adolescent idiopathic scoliosis ( AIS): a multifactorial cascade concept for pathogens sis and embryonic origin. RG Burwell, et al. ) This comment is based on the earlier research of Chu et al. - they were investigating the possible tethering of the spinal cord in idiopathic scoliosis.

So, scoliosis people are not getting diagnosed with tethered spinal cord as the cauda equina is stretching enough to allow the cord to end at the normal level. However, the problem arises in the thoracic and cervical spine because the spinal cord is not stretching and accommodating the length of the bony growth at those levels.

So much here. Very tired.
 

Justin

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There was one thing that I was interested in this thread and it had to do with cause of stroke before age 45. Somthinv like VAD or CAD?

@Merida or @Victor Maalouf can please fill me in on the abreviation or issue?

I want to look into this further.

Thank you
 

Victor Maalouf

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There was one thing that I was interested in this thread and it had to do with cause of stroke before age 45. Somthinv like VAD or CAD?

@Merida or @Victor Maalouf can please fill me in on the abreviation or issue?

I want to look into this further.

Thank you
@Merida mentioned "Vertebral Artery Dissection." It sounds like an event occurrence that often puts you in the ER rather than something chronic.

I do believe arteries/veins and lymphatic system to and from the brain can be compressed and reduce blood/lymphatic flow, possibly contributing to the total CFS/ME package.
 
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Merida

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@Justin
Yes, I was talking about vertebral artery dissection, which is the most common serious chiropractic injury following neck adjustment gone bad. Spontaneous vertebral artery dissection may not be rare, though. The most prominent sign is onset of pretty severe headache. A leading thinker/ researcher on this is neurosurgeon Wouter Schievink at Cedars Sinai hospital, L.A.

But there is another aspect to vertebral artery issues. Professor Dr. Valentyn Serdyuk ( orthopedic surgeon / scoliosis researcher) has spent his career looking closely at the physical and symptomatic characteristics of people with scoliosis. He comments that there are many structural differences from 'normal.' He comments in his book that the most common issue that is producing neurological and pain symptoms is impingement of the vertebral arteries.

The vertebral artery threads through small holes in the sides of the neck vertebrae. Then goes up through the foramen magnum ( hole in base of skull) to the brain. Scoliosis people may more commonly have small holes in the sides of their neck vertebrae. Also, any rotation of the neck vertebrae can cause additional blocking of blood flow through the vertebral arteries.

It is interesting that important sympathetic nerves wrap around these arteries. So, perhaps these nerves are also impinged?? Regular Doppler ultrasound can not diagnosis the problem well, as the arteries are inside boney structures. It takes a MRI angiogram.

I have not yet met one CFS/ME person who has had one of these special MRIs. Thus may be an unexplored area???
 

Victor Maalouf

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@Victor Maalouf
I am certainly paying close attention to your comments about the importance of the thoracic spine/ shoulders in this nightmare. You could be exactly right that this is the 'problem ' area that is the basis for the rotation Nd twisting of the entire spinal column.

This comment concerns how the spinal cord and bony spinal column are growing. Some scoliosis researchers have suspected asynchronous growth - the spinal cord is not growing as fast as the bony spinal column. Thus, there is tension on the spinal cord which causes the bony column to bend and twist.

Here is a recent comment by researchers, "The evidence for thoracic adolescent idiopathic scoliosis is consistent with the view that after 2 years of age,the caudal equina ( the branching of the cord into multiple neural pathways at the bottom end of the lumbar spine/ sacrum) stretches with the lumbar spine growth to produce a normal conus termination level. In contrast, the spinal cord neuraxis does not stretch fully and grow with the cervicothoracic spine, which causes traction on the upper cervical cord and brain stem. " ( newly published in Scoliosis and Spinal Disorders - new name for Scoliosis. Article : Adolescent idiopathic scoliosis ( AIS): a multifactorial cascade concept for pathogens sis and embryonic origin. RG Burwell, et al. ) This comment is based on the earlier research of Chu et al. - they were investigating the possible tethering of the spinal cord in idiopathic scoliosis.

So, scoliosis people are not getting diagnosed with tethered spinal cord as the cauda equina is stretching enough to allow the cord to end at the normal level. However, the problem arises in the thoracic and cervical spine because the spinal cord is not stretching and accommodating the length of the bony growth at those levels.

So much here. Very tired.
Yes, early into my research I stopped looking into many specific biological measurements like inflammation and immunity and whatnot because it was just so much, so much expertise, but even then the experts didn't seem to know what it all meant.

I was worried for a long time that my body may have become permanently asymmetrical and collapsing, because of indications that it began in me by 10 at the latest. I've been able to progress and am continuing, but it wasn't always easy. I'll still have some asymmetry and instability in my body, possibly no matter what, because of my tears. But recently they have been proving more resilient to aggravation.

I guess one of the main reasons I harp on about the shoulders and musculoskeletal system so much is because it's one of the only things I can really target and generate change in myself.
 

Merida

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Yes, yes, and yes. I see all of these biochemical changes as many trees in the forest. Trying to correct each one would be impossible? Does improving structure also help clear/control these pesky viruses and other organisms that get into the CNS?? ( or thyroid ?!!!) I would think so, but I can not find any research on that. I have thought about the AIDS situation. No matter how those dear people corrected their structure, they would still be in big trouble without antivirals.

So, all of this mental see saw business was driving me crazy. That is when I turned to looking a healing from a different and more ancient perspective : qigong, Reiki, shamanism - ha! Modern physics and quantum ideas.
There are many historical, reliable reports of North American Medicine Men even being able to bring warriors back from the dead. But many other reports of amazing manipulation of what we consider reality. Guaranteed that the book Spirit Talkers by professor Dr. William Lyon will change how you see the World in general and healing, in specific. He is a retired prof of religion and anthropology, Univ. of Kansas. Was adopted into the Lakota.

I just don't know. I just don't know. Waiting to see. But I have personally experienced some pretty weird stuff.
Maybe we should have a new discussion, "Weird stuff We Have Encountered."
 

lisaadele

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Yes, yes, and yes. I see all of these biochemical changes as many trees in the forest. Trying to correct each one would be impossible? Does improving structure also help clear/control these pesky viruses and other organisms that get into the CNS?? ( or thyroid ?!!!) I would think so, but I can not find any research on that. I have thought about the AIDS situation. No matter how those dear people corrected their structure, they would still be in big trouble without antivirals.

So, all of this mental see saw business was driving me crazy. That is when I turned to looking a healing from a different and more ancient perspective : qigong, Reiki, shamanism - ha! Modern physics and quantum ideas.
There are many historical, reliable reports of North American Medicine Men even being able to bring warriors back from the dead. But many other reports of amazing manipulation of what we consider reality. Guaranteed that the book Spirit Talkers by professor Dr. William Lyon will change how you see the World in general and healing, in specific. He is a retired prof of religion and anthropology, Univ. of Kansas. Was adopted into the Lakota.

I just don't know. I just don't know. Waiting to see. But I have personally experienced some pretty weird stuff.
Maybe we should have a new discussion, "Weird stuff We Have Encountered."
The see-saw analogy resonates...

I read all these fascinating articles and studies and am inspired to go off in one direction and then another on and on and on.... this makes me crazy. Especially when different treatments /supplements I explore contradict. Lately I've been reflecting on how draining this is for me. It should be empowering, and sometimes it is , but I think overall it is tiring.
 

Merida

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@lisaadele

Exactly. I am still paying some attention to the research, etc - for some intellectual understanding of what has happened to create this profound and terrible disorder. However, I think it is perhaps even more important to focus on "healing." I think I will have a better report in 6 months.
 

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