One long-COVID study had 20 million people in it.
Will we ever get away from the vaccine question? Probably not but at least we’re getting studies on their effects not just on COVID-19 but on getting long COVID and even healing from it.
While they’re not on chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) they’re particularly interesting for an ME/CFS community that has been wondering about their impact for years.
Eric Topol provided a nice entrée to a bunch of vaccine studies that recently popped up in his Ground Truths Substack. Topol – one of the most distinguished researchers in the country – is all over long COVID (and other matters as well). (He’s said he’s more afraid of long COVID than of dying from the coronavirus.) He covers complex areas but writes clearly and is, in fact, a published author.
Again, as someone who’s been following chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) research for decades, I just have to shake my head at the size of some of the long-COVID studies that we’re seeing. People in the ME/CFS world have been wondering about vaccinations for decades and now we’re getting some data on them.
Mega Study Indicates Coronavirus Vaccines Helpful in Preventing Long COVID
Take this UK-Spain-Estonia study, “The effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines to prevent long COVID symptoms: staggered cohort study of data from the UK, Spain, and Estonia“, published in the Lancet. It’s a 20-million-person-strong electronic records study! Note that the study did not assess the incidence of the ME/CFS type of long COVID – it required that one long-COVID symptom be present. The fact that several cohorts in different countries were included increased the robustness of the findings.
Overall, the findings suggested that the vaccines were from 29% to 52% effective in preventing “long COVID” from occurring. (The Pfizer vaccine was a bit more protective than the AstraZeneca vaccine).
This is in line with at least six other studies indicating that vaccination can help protect against coming down with long COVID. The authors of the 3-country study point out that vaccine effectiveness is probably higher than study findings indicate. This is because the past studies have focused on people who’ve come down with COVID-19 and the vaccines may prevent that from happening.
Topol noted that a Swedish study found the more vaccines a person had, the more protected they were from long COVID. After 3 vaccinations, vaccination effectiveness rose to a rather remarkable 73%. A RECOVER vaccine study in children found similar vaccine effectiveness rates in children. The overwhelming takeaway, thus far, is that if you can handle the vaccines, they can be helpful in warding off long COVID.
The more vaccines a person had, the better protected they were from coming down with long COVID after a coronavirus infection.
THE GIST
- In the end, the vaccines were both – they protected more people but also exacerbated things for a small but significant minority of people.
- Studies make it clear that if you can handle them, the vaccines can help protect against long COVID. One study suggested that the more vaccines you take, the better protected you are, with the protection level reaching almost 75% after three vaccinations.
- The effect vaccines have on people with long COVID is more muddled. The Yale study was too small to settle that question but its results were in line with another study and with the Survivor Corps and Health Rising’s ME/CFS polls. Somewhere around 40% of people with long COVID improved while about 15-20% worsened.
- Fatigue was not impacted, but the number of symptoms decreased and the physical and social effects of long COVID were reduced.
- The vaccines did boost the immune response (antibodies and T-cells) and may have assisted in clearing the virus in those who improved. They did not appear to affect herpesvirus reactivation, inflammation, or autoimmune processes.
- A machine learning process plucked out immune factors found at baseline which predicted whether the vaccine would benefit or not. Finding an immune signature that indicated whether a vaccine would help or hurt would be a huge step forward.
They asserted long COVID can only occur in people infected by the virus (“post-acute COVID-19 complications can only occur in people who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2”). Since we know that vaccines can cause long COVID in some people, the study must have had vaccine-induced long COVID.
All in all, studies suggest that for most people, the vaccines are helping. What we need, though, are studies that follow vaccinated individuals and determine whether the long COVID they come down with is associated with a coronavirus infection or with the vaccine.
Can Vaccines Help Long COVID?
In the meantime, Harlan Krumholz and Akiko Iwasaki from Yale asked a different question: can a coronavirus vaccination help people after they’ve come down with long COVID? They suggested that a coronavirus vaccination might be able to boost the immune response, clear the virus, and perhaps reduce inflammation and/or autoimmune processes, and help T and B cells fight off the herpesviruses in people with long COVID.
Their preprint, “Impact of COVID-19 vaccination on symptoms and immune phenotypes in vaccine-naïve individuals with Long COVID”, was as close to an ME/CFS vaccination study as we’ve gotten so far. While they didn’t assess the participants for ME/CFS – and some clearly did not have ME/CFS – the participants experienced a large number of symptoms.
The small 16-person study was triggered by a Survivor Corps poll which showed that 40% of people with self-reported long COVID improved (from mild to full improvement) after vaccination, while 14% got worse.
The study’s results were blunted by a lack of controls (long-COVID patients receiving sham vaccinations) and the study’s small size (n=16). (The original study aimed for 100 people, but the researchers had trouble finding unvaccinated long-COVID patients.)
Results
The results suggested the vaccines helped reduce the physical and social impacts of long COVID. A larger, placebo-controlled study is needed to validate the results.
Twelve weeks after vaccination, 10 out of 16 (62%) reported better health, while 3 (19%) reported the same health and 3 (19%) reported worse health.
Symptom scores suggested a moderate but meaningful improvement. The median number of symptoms decreased from 23 before vaccination to 15.5 12 weeks after vaccination. The percentage of patients reporting fatigue, heart palpitations, and anxiety did not change but concentration improved. Most prominently, the physical effect score, which measured how much a person was physically affected by a symptom improved from 68.5 before vaccination to 38.5 12 weeks after vaccination. The social effects score improved as well.
Biological tests found that while the vaccines had little effect on “cytokine dynamics”, people who did not improve showed an overall elevated cytokine pattern, suggesting: a) the vaccines failed to clear the virus – leaving their immune systems activated and still trying to fight it off; and/or b) they had reactivated herpesviruses and autoimmune processes that the vaccines weren’t able to touch.
Indeed, while the vaccines did increase the participants’ T-cell and antibody responses against the virus, they were unable to alter autoantibody levels (possible autoimmune processes), impact Epstein-Barr virus or other herpesviral reactivation, or reduce inflammation.
The vaccine’s inability to touch autoimmune processes or herpesvirus reactivation could mean that just getting rid of the virus is not enough. Skip Pridgen’s early data suggests that going after both the coronavirus and herpesvirus reactivation might be more effective.
We’ll see if the more intense efforts that are underway to clear the virus using Paxlovid (4 studies) and monoclonal antibodies (1 study) will be helpful when those studies are published.
A machine learning process plucked out immune factors (IFN-I, CNTF, and sIL-6R) found at baseline which predicted whether the vaccine would benefit or not. That’s, of course, what we in the ME/CFS community are looking for – some guidelines that can help indicate whether vaccines will help or hurt. Let’s hope some bigger studies are underway.
The study was small, but its findings are in general agreement with another larger (n=83) Canadian study, which found a reduction in symptoms in long-COVID patients following vaccination, increases in well-being scores, and reduced levels of several pro-inflammatory cytokines/chemokines. It’s also in pretty close agreement with Health Rising’s ME/CFS/FM vaccine polls which found that most people did OK but that 10-15% were still ill a month later, and that about 30% of ME/CFS/FM people getting the vaccine improved at least for a time.
Conclusion
In the end, the vaccines were both – they protected more people but also exacerbated things for a small but significant minority of people. Enough studies have been done to make it clear that if you can handle them, the vaccines can help protect against long COVID. They’re not perfect but they are helpful. One study suggested that the more vaccines you take, the better protected you are with the protection level reaching almost 75% after three vaccinations.
The effect vaccines have on people with long COVID is more muddled. The Yale study was too small to settle that question, but its results were in line with another study and with the Survivor Corps and Health Rising’s ME/CFS polls. Somewhere around 40% of people with long COVID improved while about 15-20% worsened.
Fatigue was not impacted, but the number of symptoms decreased, and the physical and social effects of long COVID were reduced.
The vaccines did boost the immune response (antibodies and T-cells) and may have assisted in clearing the virus in those who improved. They did not appear to affect herpesvirus reactivation, inflammation, or autoimmune processes.
A machine learning process plucked out immune factors found at baseline which predicted whether the vaccine would benefit or not. Finding an immune signature that indicated whether a vaccine would help or hurt would be a huge step forward.
Well having three vaccinations prior to covid and two after did not help me. I developed severe long covid which quickly crossed over to myalgic encephalomyelitis. Oh and I also took Paxlovid which is supposed to bring down your chances of developing long covid. I have so much hope though now, they are working so hard on this and I know it’s going to help all post viral illness suffers. Finally. I’ve been on rapamycin now 7 weeks and definitely have improvements, able to be up on my feet and have some independence after not even being able to feed myself or pick my own teeth, talk, see light or hear sound. Through those darkest days I did lose faith, but I have it back. More is coming, have faith! Oh and with that all said though I still don’t know if I should get the vaccine or not. I stay away from people, but I know eventually I will be amongst people (kids, grandkids!) again. My practitioner advised me I shouldn’t get it right now because I am just back on my feet and she doesn’t want me to have huge Mast Cell Activation issues. I’ll likely get it though after I have a little recovery behind my back.
I hope this isn’t offensive, but I have a question… If five vaccines left you like that, what makes you think a sixth will somehow make things better?
Because five vaccines didn’t leave me like that, covid left me like that. There’s obviously a genetic factor for some folks as my mother was permanently disabled due to a post viral illness. My grandfather, a very young man at the time, died in the 1918 pandemic, other family members have been ventilated or passed due to this pandemic. Of course I would get another vaccine, I don’t want to die from something that is preventable. Imagine what would have happened to me if I was not vaccinated or taken paxlovid. I don’t find your question offensive, I find it silly.
Please, let’s be as kind as we can- we’re all going through so very much 🙂
I’m so sorry Andrea that you ended up with this…it really sucks. I hope you continue to see improvement…and find yourself living life again…as we all do.
I think Lanetta perhaps misunderstood your first reply, seeing that you received 3 vaccines before Covid. But you really meant before you GOT Covid…
I have had ME/CFS since 2003 and now just recently found to have POTS yet not to the extreme as you have experienced…I couldn’t even imagine….but sounds there might be hope…that’s about all we have…
Thank you so much! Yes I believe that we all need to hold onto hope and that we have all the reason to. There are so many diligently working on it and it seems like more is being discovered every week! There are also so many different kinds of therapeutics being explored privately that seem to help some folks. I know that so many of the so-called support groups can be so negative and hopeless as well as many in the medical profession, but if you find the right medical professional there definitely is help. I’m so grateful I found mine and she understands the horror fully and does everything possible to help her patients. Thanks to her as well as detaching from negative groups, a healthy clean diet, appropriate supplements, a recovery coach, etc I am getting better and have full faith I am going to come out of this as well as that others can achieve recovery as well. One way or another! I wish you improved health!
Excellent question. Here’s something to consider, as well.
“That leads me to some really good news that just came out. A major peer review medical report just came out, at last, recommending that governments suspend ALL use of mRNA vaccines. Why? Under reporting of adverse effects, many very serious. Lack of adequate safety testing according to previous scientific standards. Quality control, impurities, immune issues, lack of honesty and more.”
https://www.cureus.com/articles/203052-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-lessons-learned-from-the-registrational-trials-and-global-vaccination-campaign#!/
Hi Andrea,
I am now dealing with Long COVID after multiple vaccines and paxlovid and ivermectin. I have been considering Rapamycin, so I was wondering what your dosage and scheduling regimen is
Hello! I wouldn’t recommend it unless you are very severe as otherwise with the right practitioner there are many other things to try and help alleviate symptoms and improve your life. With that said I started at 3 mg once a week and watched for symptoms as well as progress and increased by one milligram per week. I am doing okay at the final 6 mg once a week. I must say though it is quite odd, I don’t feel better, but I AM better if that makes sense. I still feel the same physically as I did during my darkest days, but yesterday I did over 3,000 steps and today I made tikka masala, lol. It is strange. I wish you the best with your recovery Journey. It is definitely a lot of trial and error, but we can achieve higher quality of life until the researchers figure this all out. Which I believe they are!
Thanks for the reply. Its been on my list to try. The concept is that it is a an immune modulator and from my viewpoint, my immune system goes out of whack when it is or has fought off something and until it calms down, I feel sick and tired. Glad to hear about your 3000 steps and Tikka Masala (feel free to share 🙂 ). I look at these things as minor victories. Mine yesterday was washing my sheets and changing my bed.
Thank you so much! It truly has been a miracle for me as I was unable to take care of myself in any way shape or form. Rapamycin therapy appears to inhibit mTOR and reduces autophagy disruption which helps our mitochondria and thereby stops pem symptoms. So if you think that’s the root of your problems then this definitey may be a good choice for you. Wonderful you were able to change your bedding! I only do that if one of the cats barf on it, lol. Best wishes for better health 🙂
I think this is a very interesting video to watch about this topic.
Professor Robert Clancy has found similarities between long covid and long post covid vaccination syndrome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ea3UwYZnrA
It is mainly the spikes that cause Long Covid. If you are destined to develop post-viral fatigue syndrome, it therefore seems contradictory that Covid mRNA vaccinations can prevent or improve Long Covid. Just listen to the explanation of how it works by this immunologist.
I will never get another covid vaccine. I am an ex nurse and very pro vaccines.It caused a serious detoriation in my health and worsening symptoms. For most the vaccine is fine but for a subset of us it causes worsening of M.E and fibro symptoms.
I was actually improving by the summer of 2020…I was actually able to ride my mt. bike again with my grandkids although I’d pay for it with about 5 days of PEM…but even that was starting to shorten/improve. I actually volunteered to be a mt. bike coach for the High School mt. bike team during the spring of 2021. After some hesitancy, I was talked into finally receiving the Covid vaccine in August of 2021. My ME/CFS fired back up & my life went downhill hill from there. I haven’t been able to do much since then. I’ve declined every year since then and have just been dx’d with POTS as well. Was it the vaccine? My PCP that has never helped me in managing my ME/CFS (actually blows me off when I try to address it) says it’s probably just a coincidence…Makes me angry.
I’m not surprised at all that there are similarities – the big question is who is destined to benefit from vaccines or not benefit. The study results indicate that the vast majority of people benefit from them – they greatly reduce the risk of hospitalization and death, reduce the risk of getting long COVID and may even reduce the risk of coming down with an autoimmune disease later.
But then there are those who do not benefit.
Who are those fast majority people that benefit Cort , be specific
”may even reduce the risk of coming down with an autoimmune disease later”
This is still an unproven assumption.
The opposite seems true. There are indications that various autoimmunity problems arise after vaccination against Covid. Perhaps on a small scale or large, we don’t know that completely yet.
https://www.lareb.nl/news/auto-immuun-hemolytische-anemie-na-coronavaccinatie
You missed this study Gijs.
” a recent, very large study (@4 million people) concluded that they are also providing some protection against infection-triggered autoimmune diseases (Graves’ disease, anti-phospholipid antibody syndrome, immune-mediated thrombocytopenia, systemic lupus erythematosus and other autoimmune arthritis, pemphigoid). Topol reported that one study found vaccines produced a “quite substantial” impact on one’s risk of coming down with type II diabetes.”
https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2023/09/14/immensity-long-covid-vaccines-recover/
Oke, i will read this but i see a lot of studies that shows the opposite
Autoimmune-mediated skin findings after COVID-19 vaccination include leucocytoclastic vasculitis, lupus erythematosus and immune thrombocytopenia. Functional angiopathies (chilblain-like lesions, erythromelalgia) may also be observed.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34661927/
Cort why has Astra zeneca vax been withdrawn effectively?? Because it causes myocarditis. If they were somehow more beneficial than just co tracking COVID, why has every country I can think of withdrawn.
Also I remember you being a very keen enthusiast of lockdowns and mask wearing.
At the time, I said , the choice to lockdown would kill more than any covid death till.
Now you’re agreeing with that.
In time you’re also gonna accept these vaccines are dangerous and shouldn’t be given to anyone but the old and clinically vulnerable
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Thanks for that. Some people wrongly conclude the Spike Protein is harmless.
It’s been shown to cross the blood-brain barrier and accumulate in all the organs, including the heart, in autopsy.
It’s far from harmless.
“This study, titled ‘Autopsy findings in cases of fatal COVID-19 vaccine-induced myocarditis’ is a seminal paper just published on January 14th 2024 in the European Society of Cardiology’s Heart Failure journal.
The study’s authors reviewed autopsy reports on 28 autopsied cases of persons’ who suffered myocarditis and death, and in which COVID-19 ‘vaccination’ induced myocarditis as a possible cause of death, had been reported .
The average or ‘mean’ age of death among these covid-19 ‘vaccinated’ individuals was just 44.4 years old.
The deaths occurred an average of 6 days and a median of 3 days following Covid-19 genetic ‘vaccine’ injections.”
https://open.substack.com/pub/drtrozzi/p/autopsies-confirm-covid-19-vaccines?r=f9vg3&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Citations Brigdet citations! Please show me data indicating that the spike protein from vaccines hangs around. It’s made of mRNA – which is very fragile.
“During the press conference, Professor Emeritus Masanori Fukushima of Kyoto University stated; ‘Thousands of papers have reported side effects after vaccination which affect every organ without exception.’
Professor Emeritus Masayasu Inoue stated, ‘You will find diseases of the heart, kidney, thyroid, diabetes, liver, skin, eyes, blood, nerves, systemic diseases, brain, lungs… diseases across all medical fields have been reported. As Prof. Fukushima stated, the characteristics of this vaccine is that they occur simultaneously within entire families.’
The Spike is Toxic
Professor Yasufami Murakami of the Tokyo University of Science declared; ‘I believe it (the mRNA COVID-19 injection) should be STOPPED immediately. THE SPIKE IS TOXIC. It is very clear what happens when you administer a toxic gene to a human. Another point is that the lipid nanoparticles are also toxic.’”
You didn’t cite your source, Cort. Is it from a vaccine maker’s website? My source is from, “ the Japanese General Incorporated Association Vaccine Issues Study Group. These prestigious scientists and doctors held a press conference to report on their systemic review of thousands of publications of scientific literature from the NIH PubMed database and other global databases on synthetic viruses, mRNA gene editing technologies, and ‘lipid’ nanoparticles.”
Here’s the entire Substack post which you may find interesting. Bottom line, Cort? The toxic Spike protein and Lipid Nanoparticles which are injected by the billions with each dose of the “safe and effective” really aren’t what they claim. They’re injurious and letal, dear Cort.
I’m very sorry but that’s the Truth. And the Truth matters.
https://open.substack.com/pub/karenkingston/p/unlocked-spike-proteins-and-lipid?r=f9vg3&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
I’m saying if twenty percent of pharmaceuticals are withdrawn after going through 10 year development and testing, why would you possibly think it’s a good idea to throw caution to the wind on a new technology and give it to half the world???
So I give you studies and you give me some guy at a press conference who never worked with virus, has no epidemiological experience and has never put a paper through peer review on this.
The other guy has no history of medical research that I can find. Honestly, I’ll take peer-reviewed, statistically assessed published research over someone’s opinion any day. That’s why we take the time and considerable trouble and money to do these big studies.
No banana comparison peer reviewed review also…
”The temporal relationship, internal and external consistency seen among cases in this review with known COVID-19 vaccine-induced myocarditis, its pathobiological mechanisms, and related excess death, complemented with autopsy confirmation, independent adjudication, and application of the Bradford Hill criteria to the overall epidemiology of vaccine myocarditis, suggests that there is a high likelihood of a causal link between COVID-19 vaccines and death from myocarditis.”
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ehf2.14680
“Strong immune response”
That’s why I often wonder if my childhood vaccines caused my me/cfs. I became severely hypersensative to everything,couldn’t eat a dam thing. All my life I’ve had this vauge dull ache on the side of my head.never had any drive my entire life.failed grade 7 and 9 and eventually dropped out
The vaccine never went through the rigorous testing other drugs have had to. And now that the emergency approval has been lifted, we are finally seeing the studies coming out, but it’s too late…but their STILL pushing it…
But look how long they take testing drugs that show promise for ME/CFS, Long Covid, etc. and we still have nothing…..
The vaccines underwent huge studies that involved tens of thousands of people. Did you not read the blog Natalie? The studies coming out overwhelmingly show the vaccines are protective against long COVID, help a great deal more than they hurt in people with long COVID and the systematic reviews of vaccine studies show that they are effective against hospitalization and death and even appear to be reducing the incidence of autoimmune diseases.
Yes, a very small number of young people developed mycarditis most of whom recovered.
That’s what the science says and that’s why “they” – virtually all medical professions – say take the vaccines. ME/CFS, of course, is a different case but even Health Rising’s polls show that more people experience improved symptoms after them that are worsened by them.
No long term data…never done before on such a huge scale.
But keep denying that reality. I’m not allowed to say that’s gaslighting
Notice Oliver that your comment that vaccines have never been tried on such a large scale was not removed. That’s an accurate statement!
I’m disappointed, but not surprised. Are you looking at up to date, multi sources with critical thinking ?
Sounds like some biased thinking from limited sources. Please read more internationally, and from sites which do not censor and are not sponsored by those with a biased agenda.
How to find the current evolving truth? Look at multi sides of this issue from multi sources with an open vs biased mind.
Indoctrination is impacting many who use only biased sites from which to learn.
This blog was about study results. The studies showed what they showed.
Cort you are on a sinking ship with this one.
Do you have shares in these vaccines😁
First warning, Oliver – personal attacks are not permitted.
Cort you attacked me with spurious false claims n a sarcastic tone. So you got it back faurs fair.
You were wrong about the difference between vaccines in Europe and America but told me I was making up data…in a very sarcastic way. So whose attacking who?
Secondly, your message on nicotine was missing key points about dangerous side effects.
I had every right to respond after your baseless comnents
Wow!! a divisive hornets nest has been stirred! – a microcosm of what is happening in the world today!! I believe in full informed choice, but there is too much censoring to easily facilitate this these days.
It’s widely known known that the Lancet has retracted one article on this issue and another is currently under review, if not already retracted.
The issue of journal retraction re “facts, research and statistics” is expanding: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10089824/
As a well informed seasoned physician, my blinders were taken off many moons ago. Many have been indoctrinated years ago, and are unaware. Info and disinfo abound!! Censorhips is rampant.
A lot of scientific info still has integrity, but power and money are increasingly ruling scientific research/info. Sad.
“Censorship is rampant.
A lot of scientific info still has integrity, but power and money are increasingly ruling scientific research/info. Sad.”
Very much agreed.
And the quality and integrity of the Pfizer “vaccine” studies is very concerning. Funny how a Texas Federal Judge had to stop Pfizer from hiding its data for 75 years. We’re finding many incriminating secrets it tried to bury:
“Pfizer claimed that their modified version of the Spike Protein is unable enter the cell; hence, it can not cause disease.
The way in which Pfizer modified the Spike Protein by inserting two prolines (an amino acid) resulted in the exact opposite of what Pfizer, and then the FDA claimed; namely, sufficient amounts of Spike Proteins did in fact enter and infect the cells while also residing on cell surfaces resulting in the worst of all possible worlds!
The cell surface Spike Proteins would clump together with other prions, thus forming fibrils which are the very dangerous building blocks of Alzheimer’s Disease, as well as other neurodegenerative afflictions.
Additionally, some of the modified Spike Proteins also infected the cells causing Spike Protein diseases that the FDA claimed would never occur, despite being in possession of a study that explicitly showed that the exact opposite was true.
The FDA lied, and people died.”
Not to mention Turbo Cancer.
https://open.substack.com/pub/2ndsmartestguyintheworld/p/bombshell-update-fda-confirms-modified?r=f9vg3&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Thank you for the source. The person who wrote is unnamed, the article was is self-published, is not peer reviewed and in other posts he believes that Bill Gates project to “enslave the planet into 15 Minute Cities with Nazi concentration camp-like tattoos is almost ready for prime time” – and that Jeffrey Epstein was somehow responsible for COVID-19
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/bill-gates-launches-global-tracking?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/did-epstein-create-the-c19-pandemic?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Your penchant for peer reviewed studies makes sense prior to 2020. They at least had some semblance of ethics back then.
Now they’re about as credible to those of us who can discern the numerous and legitimate Jab injuries and deaths which the Journals (and Mass Media) often deny or belittle in millions worldwide as a rain coat would be for a dolphin.
You may call the growing body of documented side effects from the Jabs “rare” or erroneously attributed to them by people who lack sophistication and an understanding of cause and effect, but for those who’ll live the rest of their lives with the Jab caused Clots, Strokes, Heart Damage, Miscarriage, Stillbirth, Neurological injury, Premature Dementia or other Prion Disease, and so on, many of us say, “We believe you.”
We who have eyes and ears know what’s going on. You may disagree, Cort, but still there’s only so much people can willfully look away from and pretend isn’t happening. These sudden and unexpected deaths are occurring all around us. Cort, will you ever look into this?
If not, why not?
Trust me, we’d rather be wrong in this matter because being right about the injurious and lethal Jabs means a terrible future for us all.
I agree. The conclusions of this blog based on the ‘studies’ shown are reprehensible. Just take the definition and criteria for Long Covid and the different vaccinations, which can lead to bias. There are too many flaws to engage in a scientific discussion.
So says Gijs – The blog noted that the studies assessed the effects of different vaccines (it only looked at two of them). The fact that it got similar results in very different cohorts indicates the results were likely valid. The study was also published in Lancet which is – aside from its publications on ME/CFS – is one of the most highly regarded scientific publications in the world. Lastly, Eric Topol – an important researcher – felt the results were important.
I don’t know if you wanted to include Akiko Iwasaki in your comment but she too is a very respected researcher leading a large laboratory at prestigious University.
The Lancet also published about CBT as an effective treatment for ME with respected scientists, but it turned out to be incorrect.
Professor Sir Simon Wessely is also a highly respected researcher. That doesn’t mean anything to me.
Agreed Gijs, the corruption and behind the scenes financial interests of the so-called medical journals is where we’re at now, just like the mainstream media.
Unfortunately, at this point they conclude what they’re paid to conclude.
Even the FDA gets 75% of its funding from Big Pharma. And it’s supposed to be guarding our health? It’s objective and unbiased? The products we’re told we can trust are “safe and effective?” VAERS sadly proves otherwise.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2022/09/22/why-is-biopharma-paying-75-of-the-fdas-drug-division-budget/amp/
This blog is not a venue for conspiracy theories Bridget which in your mind apparently extend everywhere from the media to big Pharma to medical journals to the FDA.
Just so you know we’re just not going to go down that rabbit hole. I imagine you will add us to your long list but so be it.
Cort, reporting on following the money is now a “conspiracy theory?”
Some may be fine with Big Pharma paying the lion’s share of the FDA’s funds, but the objective mind sees a huge red flag and conflict of interest in it.
When human life is at stake we need to be on guard.
”A revolving door between government and industry can render government agencies more vulnerable to regulatory capture.1 Both exits to and entries from industry pose a problem for regulatory agencies such as the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The exit of government employees to industry may lead to pro-industry bias as employees with an eye to leaving make decisions favorable to private firms where they are hoping to get jobs. Government appointees who come from industry may be more sympathetic to industry interests and could create work environments more open to industry contact and influence”
”We examined the revolving door—inflows from and exits to industry—of government appointees(…)
At the CDC, (…) 54 percent exited to industry positions, resulting in a net exit rate of 46 percentage points.”
https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2023.00418?journalCode=hlthaff
I am well aware of that Gijs and the editor had a hard on for ME/CFS. That doesn’t mean its regarded as one of the most rigorous and difficult to get into journals in the world. Look it up.
Of course it is difficult to get in that paper if you have data that shows another narrative. Also these days you have to pay for open access https://www.thelancet.com/open-access
But ad verecundiam doesn’t make it more right, does it. We can conclude that.
And there are more retractions from THE LANCET. I also remember the the XMRV virus published in SCIENCE one of the most renowned scientific journals in the world…. Ad Verecundium, Cort
Every journal has to retract papers at times Gijs. Yes, you can point to one or two retractions and use that smear an entire journal but the fact of the matter is that it’s one of the most well-respected medical journals in the world and most researchers would kill to get published in it.
So we can conclude that ad verecundiam isn’t always right, is it. I wrote it before.
The fact that there is so much disparity in opinion shows one thing. This is still a massive experiment. And that’s not how you conduct science on millions of people
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I am not so sure that on the long term mRNA vaccination against COVID is beneficial for us. The reason is that several papers revealed that, in contrast to eg novavax, these vaccins from Pfizer and Moderna strongly increase the formation of IgG4, which is an antibody form that mediates tolerance. This is said to be increased with more vaccinations would mean that someone ‘s body does not fight the virus, but accepts is as being part of one’s own body. If that ‘s the case with many of us, it makes us vulnerable to get serious problems, and likely long covid, with new infections. Did your expert look into this aspect?
That’s an idea – and the Swedish study found that the more vaccinations one got the more one was protected from getting long COVID.
Most scientists are now finding the opposite cost. That the increased tolerance allows for more infection.
You ask about three years being enough.
Well first, the doctors broke the law giving us this without informed consent. Most people did not know they were part of a mass experiment. Governments inflicting medical procedures on its people without consent reminds me of a certain time in Germany.
Three years means that
We have three years data.
No longitudinal studies on a smallish cohort. Just three quarters of the population!!!
They knew transmission wasn’t affected..so why give to children who are virtually never effected by the virus but are by the vaccine. After the first myocardial injuries in young men it should’ve been pulled. It’s criminal. There was no reason to give them this.
As for saving millions of lives, I find that very hypothetical.
Why are we having such high excess deaths rates which correlate exactly with the introduction of the vaccines? Why aren’t you looking at that too?
The virus killed old people and vulnerable people, ok, give whoever wanted it and the rest of us take our chances as we do with every virus that goes up our nose ever day.
The damage caused by the lockdowns will be generational.
We don’t know what the effects of the vaccines will be. That’s just a fact.
Look at antidepressants. Sold on a complete lie for the Japanese market and then the world. They don’t know how they work!!!
You can’t ignore the corruption going on in science right now Cort.
The problem is the studies are made to say anything you want them to say.
I bet you as we progress the emerging patterns we’re seeing of immune tolerance, spike protein factories in the body continually making people sick, shedding as a potential concept.
We just don’t know what we’ve done here. It’s too early.
Like I’ve said before 20 percent of gold standard trialled medicine is withdrawn. Within ten years due to unforseen injury.
Due to the sheer amount of vaccine given if some of these signals of harm pain our, it’s going to be bad.
This is the kind of inflammatory and almost unvalidated comment that for the most part does not work in Health Rising. We can disagree about things but Oliver is asserting things that seem contrary to reason at least to me without providing any facts to back them up.
“Most scientists are now finding the opposite cost. That the increased tolerance allows for more infection.”
????? – this strange assertion – at least to me – is crying out for something to back it up.
Well first, the doctors broke the law giving us this without informed consent. Most people did not know they were part of a mass experiment. Governments inflicting medical procedures on its people without consent reminds me of a certain time in Germany.
As with any drug large randomized, controlled studies were done to test the vaccine’s effectiveness and safety. As to law-breaking – what the heck ???
They knew transmission wasn’t affected..so why give to children who are virtually never effected by the virus but are by the vaccine. After the first myocardial injuries in young men it should’ve been pulled. It’s criminal.
Transmission was never the reason for the vaccines. The vaccines reduce the seriousness of the infection. It took a long time and multiple studies before children were given the vaccine. The myocardial injuries showed up in a very small number of young men and were mostly quickly resolved.
Myocarditis is a generally mild inflammation of heart tissue which can cause scarring but is usually resolved within days.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), among males aged 12 to 17, about 22 to 36 per 100,000 experienced myocarditis within 21 days after receiving a second vaccine dose..
By the way the incidence of myocarditis in young men is far higher in those exposed to the virus.
The incidence of myocarditis was 50.1 to 64.9 cases per 100,000 after infection with the COVID-19 virus among males in this age group. Plus when myocarditis occurred as a result of the infection it was more severe than when it occurred after the vaccination.
according to CDC findings, the risk of severe forms of myocarditis is greater in individuals who contract the COVID-19 virus than in those who receive vaccines.
https://news.yale.edu/2023/05/05/yale-study-reveals-insights-post-vaccine-heart-inflammation-cases
Since virtually everyone in that age group ended up being exposed to the virus, the vaccines must have reduced the incidence of myocarditis overall.
As for saving millions of lives, I find that very hypothetical. Why are we having such high excess deaths rates which correlate exactly with the introduction of the vaccines?
Because we had a pandemic! People stopped going to doctors when they were sick, they were shut in, suicide rates increased, drinking increased, not everyone got the vaccine or was masked and even in those who were some people still died.
We don’t know what the effects of the vaccines will be.
That’s true but why assume it be bad in the long run? Thus far they’ve been shown to protect against long COVID and even autoimmune diseases.
Look at antidepressants. Sold on a complete lie for the Japanese market and then the world. They don’t know how they work!!!
???? Clearly needs validation!
Like I’ve said before 20 percent of gold standard trialled medicine is withdrawn.
This needs validation as well but even if its true what do you suggest we turn to? Intuition? Statistically informed science is and will always be our best bet. We can’t totally rely on it but it is our best bet.
The vaccine trials were not completed until 2023. Well after everyone had had a dose. They didn’t know they were in a trial
Go look up the end date on the Pfizer trial.
Increasing immune tolerance is definitely being mentioned by many scientists. They’re saying the body is beginning to let the spike run free and damage the body. It’s a working theory. Scientists are saying this. Not me
Transmission was EXACTLY the reason the vaccine was sold to the public. To suggest otherwise is complete disengenuous.
People literally said take the vaccine . Stop the virus. Stop the spread. Don’t kill Granny’s
What about my claims about Astra Zeneca being sued in the UK and shadow banned across the world. It’s totally true.
And you didn’t know that Europe HAS stopped giving vaccines to anyone under 65 unless they have specific needs. Again PURE FACTs. If these vaccines stop death. How come we’ve stopped using them?
The first lot of deaths came from the extremely ill and elderly. Care hone people in the main.
Two years previous, the same thing happened with flu in England 30,000 deaths over one winter. Not a whisper in mainstream media. Similar kill ration.
You know as well as I do that any vaccine that causes this amount of injury is usually and should be pulled.
The vaccines should’ve only been given to the elderly. There should’ve been no strick lockdowns.
They caused sustained excess deaths in all age groups.these deaths are still continuing to this day and no one ismentioning them.sp when do we concede that qe completely trashed many many peoples lives with our response and make sure this never happens again.
Myocarditis is never mild. It’s damage to the heart muscle. It “resolves/” because we don’t have sensitive tests or predictive criteria good enough.
I’m sorry but no drug should cause myocardial injury with this much prevalence. It has to be pulled
Truth.
I’ve lost many friends suddenly and unexpectedly from them.
It still hurts.
The irony of fellow m.e. patirnts not listening to lived experience astounds me
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Gee, Cort, I submit important information from an independent, verified source and you don’t want your readers to be able to judge it for themselves?
That’s doesn’t speak well of a blog, now does it?
Vulnerable people especially need to decide for themselves when it comes to the “safe and effective,” don’t you think? Their lives are at stake.
You know there are lines Bridget. A comment stating that Health Rising didn’t want people to judge for themselves was sent to trash – because you made a personal attack in it – yet you accuse HR of withholding important information from a verified source.
Now you’re accusing us of withholding information by removing a citation but no such thing happened. We have not removed any citations.
Health Rising was the first website that I know of to do a large-scale vaccine survey which ended up including tens of thousands of participants and validated that some people with ME/CFS did poorly on the vaccines.
Since then we have followed the vaccine injury issue closely including doing several blogs on vaccine injury when studies have popped up – and we will continue to do that.
You must stop the personal attacks or you will not be allowed to comment here. This is precisely why so many social media cites have stopped discussing vaccines altogether – things get too crazy.
If I’m wrong about what was removed, I certainly want to apologize, Cort.
Sometimes the responses on any blog get so long it’s hard to recall specific posts or even find them. My bad.
I’m glad you allow contrasting views to be expressed here because, like you, i want the very best for people. And I’m especially concerned about those who like myself are dealing with multiple health issues prior to the advent of COVID. We’re used to dealing with enough devastation and struggle in the CFS community, so we certainly don’t need further assaults to our health.
Where you and I differ most, I think, is in trusting those in power over us. Although I’d like to believe they have our best interests in mind, my experience and what I’ve observed in too many others to count is quite the contrary.
I’ve seen too many people harmed and even killed by trusting the wrong people.
Appreciate that Bridget. Thanks.
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No – there are rules to participation here and you have been provided them. If you can follow them you are free to post. Its very simple – providing citations and evidence for your assertions, do not engage in conspiracy mongering, and no personal attacks.
Actually, Oliver, although I know you don’t think so – we’re trying to get at the truth but the way we do that here is by referring to scientific publications as well as using our personal experiences.
I know that you’re passionate about the subject of vaccines but as I said I don’t want to spend my time and energy responding to your many, many conclusions – which, thus far, I haven’t found much basis of fact for. You produce long comments that are full of inflammatory and unverified conclusions – and you’ve ignored my request that you include any evidence for them.
So here you are.
Cort, I’ll leave it here. I guarantee you this is a huge scandal.
If you have the time watch John Campbell’s YouTube post from tonight with a confirmed vaccined injured young sports man. Called adam. Through Astra Zeneca.
It’s EXTREMELY triggering. Very in depth. And shows how the system is ignoring the large number of SEVERELY vaccine injured people who are not being taken seriously. In fact are being told it’s anxiety. Despite the shocking parade of symptoms.
I challenge you to watch it. It disturbed the hell out of me.
The guy is part of the vaccine injured group which mainstream media won’t touch.
Just like m.e. eerily similar.
The cardiac doctor who took pity on him and accepted his symptoms weren’t anxiety said they had had 239 vaccine injured cardiac patients in their hospital alone.
To me, that is terrifying and unacceptable.
Obviously you can’t have science if, just like m.e., people won’t do the science because cultural bias exist. This doesn’t have to be conspiracy. Just cultural group think.
The vast array of symptoms Adam has is stomach churning and he’s a confirmed vaccine injured case.
He also alludes to the many people not been taken seriously ( m.e. anyone) and not been knowledgeable to advocate for themselves.
This is definitely going to be a medical scandal.
As with m.e. there’s no smoke without fire.
The medical community with it’s vested interest is not going to investigate this and make a case for litigation. Politicians won’t admit that the haste was crazy.
Like you said Cort,i am very passionate. Science didn’t exist for decades for m.e. but we knew it was real.
There’s too much evidence out there now.
Just read the comment section. Yes it’s not scientific but it’s real and terrifying.
I won’t comment again.
I do respect your work in general very much.
But I feel were missing out on some big learning opportunities and justice
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Agree 100%
Swedish cohort is different..healthy older people. More equal society. Not comparing like with like.
Still wondering why you think the vaccine Astra zeneca produced has been withdrawn after been declared a saviour and stopping the virus in its tracks.
Why pull such a successful vaccine.
Oh yeah cis it was killing and poisoning young men.
What I don’t understand is, that I can’t remember a time when it was deemed acceptable to have a vaccine with so many known dangers too it.
It’s a first.. too many people, and young people died from these vaccines.
The Astra zeneca ban speaks volumes as does your silence
The Astra zeneca ban speaks volumes as does your silence
AstraZeneca was stopped because of a small number of people experienced clotting issues. After that
Enough of the personal attacks Oliver (The Astra zeneca ban speaks volumes as does your silence) – you were warned.
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I would’ve thought thatastra Zeneca, going through all these great trials where thousands of people were tested should’ve picked up a signal eh?
Hmmm what else did they miss?
Rushed vaccines..never a good idea unless it’s ebola.
Irresponsible
The fact, Oliver, that the studies were able to pick evidence of very, very rare cases of myocardial inflammation, should give you, I would think, some assurance about their efficacy.
The fact that studies also eventually picked up very rare (According to a report by The Conversation, the risk of developing blood clots after getting the AstraZeneca vaccine is very rare, about one in 50,000) -is actually evidence that the studies are very effective – they would have to be to pick up that rare of an incidence.
A couple of months ago I got three different vaccines within a week; covid, flu and Shingrix. Afterward I got a herpes breakout that just wouldn’t resolve. I also became much more fatigued. Thinking about this, I do wonder if it was too much for my immune system.
In the past, I did well with all the other single Covid vaccines. I still don’t know whether I have even contracted Covid because research says many get it but it is so mild they don’t even know. With ME/CFS I feel lousy most of the time and so I may have missed recognizing Covid.
Yesterday I read an article about how immunotherapy can help with treating a targeted cancer but doctors are now realizing that while helping, it can also trigger other cancers (or side effects) in other body systems. It is almost like the immune system is a web and if one pulls on one of the strings too hard, it can disrupt other parts of the web. This seems to be similar to the problem of vaccines triggering unwanted effects in some people.
Clearly we need research to determine who is at risk and these results show that the immune system is not as understood as we would like it to be.
I have no big revelations about this except that the medical system needs to recognize contradictory voices and not worry about undermining the perception that they are always correct in the treatments they are promoting. Yes, vaccines do help, but…
Yes, science is about discovery, questioning, and challenging or proving results. Unfortunately, too many Drs and other professionals have been forced to push a one-sided perspective regardless of what little facts we actually have.
Is it a “conspiracy theory” even to ask why so many are suffering injuries and death now?
Whatever happened to Question Authority?
Question everything.
Very interesting, thank you. It amazes me though, that more and bigger studies on this question have not been done. It seems somewhat existential to sufferers of Long Covid to know whether it not to get vaccinated.
Agreed!
America seems to be one of the few countries where anyone would seriously consider NOT being vaccinated.
My girlfriend and I have long-term M.E. but we didn’t hesitate to get the Covid vaccines. We did feel notably better M.E. -wise after the injections (excepting the 1st week) but I’m sure most of this benefit was the huge relief of having lifesaving medicine inside us.
Lifesaving medicine? For who? Older and obese people. What about the young men who died of this vaccine with myocarditis or have other hartproblems now. For some age groups it did more harm then good. They didn’t need this mRNA vaccine in the first place. I am severe ME patiënt and had covid for 1 week, it was mild and i didn’t detoriated at all. The flu i have had in my life was more worse. And by the way: in America most people are vaccinated even with more other vaccins then in other countries.
Yes, Gijs, I agree. I’m in exactly the same place as you. Covid was fairly mild, not like Influenza A which was devastating. My brother had five Covid Vaccines and then came down with severe Covid. He has developed long Covid and also developed Charles Bonnet syndrome, an eye condition that causes him to see things that aren’t there and restricted his normal vision. The eye specialist said he has a clot which has caused it.
These eye problems are really common . Sone very severe. Sone even lethal…
Where is the independent journalism
As a former Reporter, I can attest independent journalism is nearly dead.
All the parroting of one, heavily governmental subsidized viewpoint is why we’re in this heartbreaking mess.
That’s why the freedom found for writers on Substack is so refreshing.
You do realize that covid infection harms your immune system which is why Influenza A is more severe now, right? Stop downplaying COVID, I don’t care how “mild” it was for you, it still has harmful effects and even asymptomatic cases can cause heart and organ damage, and the effects are cumulative
To Tired of superspreaders – I had Infuenza A long before Covid. All viruses can cause damage. I have heart damage from CFS/ME which I have had for many years – also a muscle biopsy showed muscle damage from pushing myself to hard when I was so sick.
Everyonei know who was vaccinated has had COVID multiple times likely due to the immune tolerance.
I’ve never had it knowingly.
We don’t know why this exactly happens but it is a reported phenomena.
Why have the European countries stopped giving any vaccines for people under 65?
Excellent question.
I wonder why the US still urges pregnant Mothers to get it, and yet miscarriages and stillbirths have skyrocketed since a certain product’s use.
“Specifically for miscarriage we found the global relative risk for was 177 (95% CI 114.4–283.5) compared to influenza vaccination. We believe inclusion of our data in Rimmer et al. (2023) would correct a Type II error and lead to a conclusion of excess harm, necessitating a worldwide moratorium on the use of COVID-19 vaccines in pregnancy.”
https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/38/12/2536/7308743
Our response, stopping people mingling with lockdowns has weakened everyone’s immune systems through lack of exposure to pathogens.
Add to that the stress, the🕐 sedentary lifestyles, the missed diagnosese, old people withering alone in carehones.
People having heart attacks at home because they were too scared to go to hospitaletc.
Only today, the news in the UK is that the pandemic has made a whole generation of children obese with lifelong health consequences.
This was all easily foreseeable. I did. I’m no genius. It was obvious.
The lockdowns will kill for decades and young people..slow diabetic and cancerous deaths, mental health problems.
We should’ve protected the elderly and gone about our business.
The UK locked down hard and it did no good . We hare continuing to have a massive surge in excess deaths. About 100,000 and still counting. So no, we’re not downplaying anything. We knew COVID was dangerous. But how dangerous.
Our reaction was hysterical. Fair enough the first lockdown was justified but after that it was obvious who was dying. We shouldve adopted standard who protocol, instead of the new edicts.
Lockdowns just kicked the problem into the long grass and has caused a tidal wave of illness, psychiatric problems and early deaths in all ages. We acted like headless chickens.
I’m embarrassed for us.
If we get a proper ebola lab leak, we are in deep trouble.
Deeply selfish reactions and pharmaceutical greed. Proxy enforcement of vast swatges of the population and government misinformation given as fact!!! It will come out in time…when it’s too late to make a difference. As is always the way
As a Woman with fatigue issues, every day is like lockdown for me!
No big deal in my case. I feel bad for everyone else, though.
Totally agree. My first question when the vax came out was “Why would I want to put an experimental, unproven product designed to mess with my immune system into my body when it’s already messed up?” The more I took the wait and see approach, the more sure I became. (Never COVID vaxed, not had COVID, although extended family had both.)
“It is important to mention that the COVID-19 infection is also associated with myocarditis and the associated risk is higher than the mRNA vaccine-associated risk. ”
And
“Although the prognosis is good as all the reported patients recovered and were discharged home, further research is needed to understand the pathophysiology of post-vaccination myocarditis and to improve the standard of care for these patients.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9419896/
That’s gaslighting. The vaccines have been proved to cause heart issues and death. I can’t remember a vaccine that was allowed to continue with this many injuries and death.
Yes , ANY virus can cause myocarditis. But as I pointed out, the myocardial damage in boys were very disconcerting.
Getting the wild type virus will likely confirm lifetime immunity as it did with sars twenty years ago.
Of course, that’s conjecture, just like these ” studies” because as of yet, the experiment is ongoijg
Oliver your gaslighting comment is out of line, unfair, and just plain inaccurate since I was referring to published studies. If you continue to make personal attacks like that your comments will be moderated.
Your comment that getting the wild-type virus will confer lifelong immunity is plain wrong. Studies show that the more times your are infected with the virus the more likely you are to come down with a serious disease including long COVID.
Cort why has Astra zeneca been withdrawn…why? It was causing clots and heart damage. According to you the attrition rates were acceptable and protective. So why did every country in the world decide not to use it anymore.
I don’t know what to call your assertions then but your missing out a huuuuge piece of data. The shadow banning of an entire vaccine
”We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/
So, if Covid didn’t cause myocarditis or heart problems and there is a statistical trend with vaccination and
(excess deahts) even pfizer acknowledge it is a side effect what would be the cause of that?
What about the young men who died and did not treated, And have damage on the heart? what will it do on the long run?
”Over 100,000 excess deaths involving cardiovascular conditions in England since February 2020”
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=%7EJPN
Olifant? I don’t see him, you.
The myocardial issue that so much has been made of in some circles has turned out to be a dead horse.
Myocarditis is a generally mild inflammation of heart tissue which can cause scarring but is usually resolved within days. The myocardial injuries showed up in a very small number of young men.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), among males aged 12 to 17, about 22 to 36 per 100,000 experienced myocarditis within 21 days after receiving a second vaccine dose..
The incidence of myocarditis in young men is far higher in those exposed to the virus.
The incidence of myocarditis was 50.1 to 64.9 cases per 100,000 after infection with the COVID-19 virus among males in this age group. Plus when myocarditis occurred as a result of the infection it was more severe than when it occurred after the vaccination.
https://news.yale.edu/2023/05/05/yale-study-reveals-insights-post-vaccine-heart-inflammation-cases
Since virtually everyone in that age group ended up being exposed to the virus, the vaccines must have reduced the incidence of myocarditis overall.
I disagree with you, Cort.
Myocarditis is never “mild…(or) resolved within days.”
Myocarditis is permanent heart damage.
I think we’re being told this as a way to downplay the effects of a certain “safe and effective” product that, according to human experience reported in VAERS, is nothing short of catastrophic.
(This study, titled “Autopsy findings in cases of fatal COVID-19 vaccine-induced myocarditis” is a seminal paper just published on January 14th 2024 in the European Society of Cardiology’s Heart Failure journal.
The study’s authors reviewed autopsy reports on 28 autopsied cases of persons’ who suffered myocarditis and death, and in which COVID-19 “vaccination” induced myocarditis as a possible cause of death, had been reported .
The average or “mean” age of death among these covid-19 “vaccinated” individuals was just 44.4 years old.
The deaths occurred an average of 6 days and a median of 3 days following Covid-19 genetic “vaccine” injections.)
These are young men whose hearts obviously didn’t self-repair from myocarditis. For a medical journal to argue myocarditis may be mild and temporary is irresponsible. Though not everyone may quickly succumb to their permanent heart injury, which is what myocarditis is, those with it must limit activities and avoid triggering agents going forward.
Such as the “safe and effective,” I think, would be very prudent.
Back to the report:
(The cause of death in each case was assessed by three independent physicians who all possessed cardiac pathology experience and expertise.
Covid-19 genetic “vaccine” injections were confirmed as the most likely cause of myocarditis and death in 100% of these autopsies.
This indicates a high likelihood of a causal link between COVID-19 vaccines and death from myocarditis.“)
https://open.substack.com/pub/drtrozzi/p/autopsies-confirm-covid-19-vaccines?r=f9vg3&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
28 deaths Bridget – yes, its unfortunate – but its also a very small number given the millions of doses given.
Compare that to the 46,000 people between the ages of 40-49 who died of COVID the vast majority of whom were probably unvaccinated.
Probably? You mean the data from the CDC ? That was a period when many people get vaccinated. So the vaccinations didn’t work then or was not effective as they thought isn’t it.
cave:
Then the figures you show are not sufficiently insightful to make a statement about it. It concerns a period of almost 3 years in a group between 40 and 49 years old. Was there any comorbidity? High blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, respiratory diseases, cancer, etc… in that case the chance of death is many times greater at around 10.5% compared to 0.9% without comorbidity. We know that in de VS many people are obese or diabetic.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19#/media/Bestand:Comorbidity_and_severity_in_covid-19_data_from_China_CDC_Weekly_2020,_2(8),_pp._113-122_(cropped).png
Probably?
And that’s got to be in the states because UK deaths under fifty were a couple of thousand
That was not my conclusion – it was taken directly from a scientific paper.
Bridget – if you followed everyone who had a banana for breakfast you would find lots of deaths and diseases over the next month. That’s what VAERS is. Unless you have a control group; that is – unless you give people a drug or vaccine or whatever and compare them to a control group which does not get the drug or vaccine or whatever you don’t have a clue what happens.
So you’re dismissing the injuries reported by “vaccine” takers as being without merit because there’s no control group? That’s denying their voices and lived experiences.
Wow, Cort. You’re really saying their knowledge of their bodies and their objective ability to report on them aren’t reliable and ultimately don’t matter.
Strange considering we in the ME-CFS community have walked that same, gaslighted path for too long.
You may want to rethink your position on the value of self-reporting, because you of all people should know how hard it is for the suffering to be believed.
Fortunately more studies of the “vaccine” injured are coming out each day. They’re not falsely attributing or making things up, after all. The preponderance of their evidence is growing exponentially. At some point they’ll be heard and believed, even by “vaccine” advocates.
Dont put words in my mouth, Bridget.
I’m saying that VAERS is not a substitute for a scientific study. All it can do is point to potential problems – it cannot say ANYTHING definitive about them. That requires a proper study. VAERS is there to potentially point out RARE issues that might get missed by the initial studies. By its very nature it serves to pick up rare problems.
“VAERS serves as an early warning system for unforeseen problems with approved vaccinations that might be worth investigating scientifically. Often, these problems are so rare that they don’t appear until after clinical trials when a much larger population receives vaccinations.”
That means events that happen even years later and have no obvious connection to a vaccine, such as feelings of anger, end up reported in the system, says Talaat. “It’s very open and public and searchable. Since it’s so transparent, people don’t really understand what it’s for. They think it’s things that are vetted and have causal relationships with the vaccine.”
In particular, Talaat adds, many anti-vaccination proponents misattributed reported deaths after COVID-19 vaccination as evidence that the vaccines are not safe. “You are supposed to report deaths in a certain period after vaccination,” she says. “But the reality is, if you are 90 years old and have a heart attack, or diabetes, or are in the hospital [at the time of vaccination], it’s probably not related [to the vaccination].”
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-vaers-is-and-isnt
Uh huh.
Seeing an alleged 80% or so of the US consented to the “safe and effective” at least one time, it’s probably a moot point.
What’s done is done and can’t be undone.
God be with us all.
I personally know TWO healthy men in their 50’s who were working full time that developed MYOCARDITIS after getting their first dose of Covid jab.
One was my neighbor and one was the brother of a friend of mine.
Myocarditis from the Covid Jab is NOT RARE.
I watched the ambulance take the body of my neighbor from this home.
He had come home from work and sat down in his recliner and took a nap and when his wife went to wake him up he had died.
His parents nagged him to get the Covid jab. He didn’t want it but he gave in to the nagging. He got the first dose of the Jab and the very next day he was put in the hospital with myocarditis. His wife said his legs became swollen and he gained 30 pounds of fluid. He was in the hosptial for a couple of weeks and the doctor said that it was from the Jab. But the doctor said he wasn’t gong to report because he was afraid he would lose his license. So after a few weeks he went back to work and one day he came home and sat down in his recliner and he passed away. I watched the ambulance take him away. I heard the whole story from his wife. She had to sell her home.
The other guy had a similar story. He took the first does of Covid Jab and the very next day he was put in the hospital. Myocarditis was the diagnosis and within 3 months he died from a heart attack.
I just want you to understand how real this> It’s not rare.
I also know an older lady that developed multiple blood clots in her lungs from the Covid Jab.
The Covid Jabs CAUSE MYOCARDITIS they don’t keep you from getting myocarditis.
Life-saving..no.
And there’s plenty of countries that refused the vaccine in their millions
All over europe
You know Oliver this is not a make it up as you go blog. It’s based on scientific studies not conjecture or made up facts. If you have references please cite them.
According to the ECOC 981 MILLION vaccine doses have been administered in the European Union. The ECOC indicates that every country in Europe has approved numerous vaccines.
https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/Covid-19/vaccine-tracker.html#distribution-tab
Please see my response above…the vaccine has been stopped across Europe for anyone under 65 unless clinically vulnerable. Happened around October/ September last year.
I’m not making up anything. You are!
Totally agreed that these vaccines for the vast majority are life saving and saved millions of lives. Look at all the millions of people who died from COVID before vaccines were available, I am sure it could have saved more. I don’t dispute that there is a subpopulation of people who have adverse effects from the vaccines unfortunately, but if it weren’t for such a large majority of people getting the vaccines we would not have gotten herd immunity as quickly and safely as we did…. the reason COVID is more mild is because we had vaccines that prevented people from dying from it like they were in the beginning, and the virus evolved to become somewhat milder but overall we have a net of immunity as a society now. So I don’t really think it is accurate for people to try to speak about the harms of the vaccine when comparing that on the whole of the benefits it allowed and try to say the risk outweighed the benefits at a society level. I understand for people suffering from long COVID illness as a result of the vaccine or other issues, it seems really bad but still your odds of much worse illness/death from COVID if unvaccinated still really outweigh it if vaccinated per all the mountains of data we now have.
Viruses naturally evolve to survive If a new virus kills it’s host before it can reproduce enough to reinfect another host, it will die off. That’s just the nature of it. Aside from possibly protecting some people, the most the vax did was teach the virus how to evolve in a way that made the vaccines ineffective for the next strain. It’s the same reason there’s no vaccine for the common cold.
It was omicron that saved us not the vaccine. Your premisses are based on models not hard science. Which people are saved? How old where they? Did they have more diseases when they get covid? Did they dy due or with covid? Do you know that after a pandemic you would ecpect underdying not excess death.
”We have shown here that the number of vaccines administered is an excellent predictor of “unexplained excess mortality”. However, it cannot serve as independent legal evidence to point to the vaccines as the sole culprit. It cannot be ruled out that there are several factors that lead to this excess mortality. The only way to provide a definitive answer to this is to link the vaccination data to the death figures maintained by Statistics Netherlands. There are several reasons why the government does not wish to cooperate in this for the time being.”
https://www.maurice.nl/2022/12/12/vaccinatiesterfte-gemodelleerd/
Based on a statistical model too
I have given you so many studies (which you later ignore lol :)) that I don’t know why you, of all people, accuse others of not relying on hard science. All I’ve been reporting on is hard science – actual studies. While models can be helpful they can’t overturn the results of studies. Studies are where the rubber meets the road. While they are not perfect they’re the closest we can get to the truth.
So you would like the model i present you? (loL) I posted many studies too Cort, I don’t ignore them, they are not always so robust as you interpret them in your blogs. Never ever you are critical. Example: When you see The Lancet you think it is the truth and we know that is not always the case. You close your eyes to the demonstrable adverse effects of vaccination. Cherry picking. I think our definition on hard science is different.
U.S.A. not alone re strident vaccine ‘hesitancy’ – very strong anti-vax voices on social media & community generally in Australia, as well as complacency around booster vaccinations, even with current strong wave of COVID – almost no-one is talking about it, least of all Federal/State Governments.
Censorship tends to keep us isolated and unaware of the big picture, I’ve observed.
Public health is dead:
https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/institutional-covid-denial-has-killed
What needs to be discussed is this… If there was a new medication on the market in which 19% of patients worsened, the FDA would ban the use of that medication. They’ve banned drugs in the past for causing issues in much tinier percentages of patients with different diseases
Yet around 19% of Long Covid patients worsen from a vaccine.
I accept that the rest of patients do well, or have no change. But 19% worsening is unacceptable. That’s a 1 in 5 chance of having the disease worsening by a medical procedure.
Gez Medinger also did a poll over a year ago and he too found 19% of Long Covid patients worsened. Although he seemed more interested in those that improved.
And that’s something I’ve also noticed in the medication community in general. That they tend not to think about those that worsen. Instead praise that the vaccine helped some people with Long Covid.
Yet worsening is devastating for a patient. I know because I had ME/CFS go from mild to severe after flu shot 8 years ago. The damage was permanent. That one vaccination took my life away.
Like I said no other drug would be allowed to do that to patients.
Have you looked into Methelyne Blue?
I’m trying it now for my own fatigue issues as I’ve suffered from two deviating rounds of EBV and subsequent years of CFS afterward each time. MB’s said to be highly anti-viral, neuroprotective and a mitochondrial booster. In other words, something a person like me really could use.
I’m nonetheless taking a very low dose as I’m extremely cautious given my fragile medical state.
https://open.substack.com/pub/robertyoho/p/292-methylene-blue-mb-for-memory?r=f9vg3&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Meant to say “devastating” not deviating.
I hate autocorrect!
I take methylene blue every day. It helps.
I’m wading into the deep end more slowly with it. But glad to hear you’re doing well with MB.
I’m also taking it since it’s reported to help with clots associated with shedding. I’m around the jabbed and boosted at times, and don’t want to suffer from their choices. I’m prone to clots and refuse to do nothing.
Methylene Blue when ordered from a supplier of pharmaceutically pure products has many benefits and is an old tried and true remedy. It is inexpensive and in weight measured doses seems to be free of side effects.
Unfortunately in a public health emergency like a pandemic, costs and benefits have to be weighed. The potentially devastating effects of not vaccinating everyone outweigh the effects of less than 20% of a specific patient population getting worse.
The real answer is we need a long covid cure, like, yesterday.
Hear! Hear!
I agree with you totally. The swine flu vaccine was pulled for narcolepsy side effects.
There’s been many many verified injuries just in my circle. Severe ones and one death.
Then we see the cardiac risks and the fact that there is around 80 families currently suing Astra zeneca for death or disability to young ones.
Most European countries won’t let anyone under 65 take the vaccines now.
Why????? I think we know why.
Astra zeneca has been dropped by every country in the world because it causes unacceptable high levels of death and severe negative events.
I don’t trust any studies anymore, with good reason. Pfizer lied about transmission and side effects. They admitted this in the European courts.
The tech giants admitted they were coopted by government.
Any dissent, by legitimate scientists, was crushed
Why? What happened to healthy debate?
There’s long flu, long stress, long stomach virus ( how Whitney’s started). Using long COVID as another way to get a jab in the arm is disengenuous.
My prediction is that these vaccines will be seen in twenty years as extremely dangerous.
Anybody continuing to take this is mad.
It stops nothing. How can we predict who is prone to long COVID or not….it’s just a bullshit construct. Who ran these studies. If they’re not independent, they’re worthless.
Moderna and astrazeneca especially, killed a lot of people. It was not worth it.
Natural immunity stopped this virus
You can’t just debate facts and try to hold up your opinion against data. If you don’t believe it the trial data are publicly available for you to read with your own eyes, there was no co-opting involved these are massive collaborative efforts by scientists, doctors, and pharmaceutical companies to deliver vaccines for a crisis. I don’t understand this attitude, when we know concretely these vaccines have saved millions of lives. Basically you are saying you don’t believe in truth or facts or science.
Oh my lord…did you not see the Pfizer executive for Europe admitting that they KNEW the vaccines didn’t stop transmission. Yet that was how it was sold to the world. ” take a vaccine and don’t kill granny”.
Your comments show you have a very tenuous view of the reality of the pharmaceutical industry.
They game results all the time ea. They’ve been fined billions of dollars.
Seroxat, thamidolyde ,nsaids, benzos, children’s talcum powder all went through ” gold standard” clinical trials. The COVID vaccine didn’t as it doesn’t have any longitudinal data. It was INSANE to take something with no longitudinal evidence and read it as safe.
Funnily enough, it took a small scientifuc group from thailand to do follow ups on young makea. They found subclinical raised troponin levels in a very high amount. That’s heart damage. It was ” subclinical”. Then if course the kids who were actually injured.
How come your beloved doctors and pharmaceuticals didn’t pick up on that signal, or even both to do follow up studies.
When they changed the vaccines slightly to accommodate mutations, they didn’t even bother to do trials on humans. Just 10 mice . FACTS.
In Congress representatives for Facebook confirmed they were forced to follow gov directives.
You can check all these hearings out.
The fact checkers were ba hobs graduates in say economics. You had the great Barrington declaration saying lockdowns shouldn’t happened, esteemed scientists, being told they were wrong by kids just out of uni with no specialism.
There was no room for debate. It was group think madness.
When have you ever seen a vaccine that caused so many deaths not be pulled?? When??? There’s no president for it.
If you wanted to save lives give it , if you must to the old and vulnerable.
The FACT S in the UK were that the average age of death was 81. The average age of someone who died from COVID was 83.
So did they really die from COVID or with it.
And why did we continuing lockibg down little kids and adults with virtually no chance of dying.
If I remember rightly around 2,000 people died directly in the UK for people under 60.
About 4,000 people die on the roads every year but we don’t stop that.
Now, either because of the side effects of these drugs, the stress, the isolation, the unhealthy nature of lockdown life, we have SUSTAINED excess mortality in ALL age groups including kids.
These are facts.
There are so many ways that you’re wrong here that it’s astounding but I’ll leave it there.
Boy are you gonna be shocked when the truth comes out
We’ve been studying the vaccines for what three years now. How many studies have been done? Hundreds probably. Here’s the latest
BMC Public Health
. 2024 Jan 18;24(1):220. doi: 10.1186/s12889-024-17790-w.
Association between vaccination rates and COVID-19 health outcomes in the United States: a population-level statistical analysis
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38238709/
”We have shown here that the number of vaccines administered is an excellent predictor of “unexplained excess mortality”. However, it cannot serve as independent legal evidence to point to the vaccines as the sole culprit. It cannot be ruled out that there are several factors that lead to this excess mortality. The only way to provide a definitive answer to this is to link the vaccination data to the death figures maintained by Statistics Netherlands. There are several reasons why the government does not wish to cooperate in this for the time being.”
https://www.maurice.nl/2022/12/12/vaccinatiesterfte-gemodelleerd/
Based on a statistical models, available reliable data
and can be extrapolated internationally
Thanks for providing the link but conspiracy theories just don’t wash for me. There has been so many eyes on the vaccines and so many studies by so many independent researchers across the globe that the conspiracy theory slant just doesn’t work for me.
This is not a conspiracy theory at all but based on reliable data from a reliable government source. If you really understood statistics you wouldn’t have written this. The data to validate this model is not transparent and that is strange in science, right? It should be transparent. If this model is incorrect, that should not be a problem. In science, trying to debunk findings is called falsification. But if the data only stays with a certain group of scientists (government-funded) and is not shared with truly independent scientists, it becomes a bit of a red flag.
It is so derogatory and insulting to use the word conspiracy in this, a truly weak argument. But you always see this with the provaxers.
Saved millions…??? Pure conjecture…as I’ve pointed out…healthy people under 60. didn’t need them.
They knew it didn’t stop transmission but still vaccinated everyone….hmmm.
Then suddenly they pull Astra Zeneca completely. Moderna last time I looked was going down the plug hole too.
So if it gave some older people some more life…then yes, they had nothing to lose, kids and people going up to 60 were killed or hurt in large numbers.
This is the truth.
I know one person who was paralyzed by the vaccine for six weeks.
My brother now has lifelong tinnitus s and 70 percent hearing loss in one ear. My sister’s wife developed temporary cardiomyopathy. Luckily it reversed.
I know two people who developed sight loss in one eye and one person, although this one wasn’t confirmed as a direct result but a death by stroke. He said himself smthg felt so off after the vaccine
2 weeks later he was dead.
The others are confirmed vaccine injuries. So don’t tell me that these signals didn’t show up in the trials.
How comepfizer never realised they had asbestos in their talc powder. Again, don’t be so naive as to assume they actually cared. The pharmaceuticals are one of the most corrupt corporations of all time
Sued time and time again.
Do you know one fifth of medicines that go through ” gold standard” trials are quietly pulled years down the line.
As we see, Europe has basically banned anyone under 65 taking this stuff…funny that???!
They know the risks outweigh the benefits.
Flu kills many people every year. A vaccine is not mandatory in Europe. This was overkill by the authorities in more ways than one.
After the initial first wave, the pandemic slowed down because the most vulnerable had died. I’m extremely dubious of the claim it saved millions. How can you calculate that. Just more bullshittery from the industry.
How come they weren’t so honest about the benzos that killed over half a million people in the u.a. again facts.
The medical industry needs regulating. At the moment the FDA is paid massive amounts by Pfizer. So you think that makes them independent. Pfizer is in the pockets of Congress and has a representative on every board of TV in the u.s. conflict of interest do you think?
It’s getting to the point where we can cure stuff with crispr and regenerative medicine. What’s terrifying is the oharmacueticals don’t want that.
We need to take back control of these companies and have them properly scrutinized
But we don’t know conclusively that they save millions of lives. There’s never been a double blind study that proves it. And it would be unethical to do one. How do we really know who would have lived or died? There are also good studies that now show the more jabs you get after the initial doses, the more likely you are to end up hospitalized or dead from COVID.
???
SARS-CoV-2 vaccine effectiveness against infection, symptomatic and severe COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis
Independent reviewers selected randomized controlled trials and cohort studies with the outcome of interest.
VE against SARS-CoV-2 infection and symptomatic COVID-19 waned over time but protection remained high against severe COVID-19.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35525973/
Yes, you’re on target, Lanetta.
It is those repeatedly exposed to the “safe and effective” who’re repeatedly infected. I’m even seeing it in people I know who took several doses of it. They’re utterly bewildered and confused as to why what they were told hasn’t proven true.
It’s not a sign of a strong immune system, sadly.
I disagree because the FDA does a benefit:risk calculation and it isn’t based on a percentage like that. It is based on, what is the need for the illness that this intervention is trying to fill, what are the risks and what are the benefits? The benefit, which is a massively decreased risk of death and hospitalization or contracting long COVID, significantly outweighs the risks on an entire population level (also, the 19% figure is unclear – are we saying if someone ALREADY HAS long COVID 19% of them get worse from the vaccine? That speaks to needing clearer indication of who the vaccine should be used for, and in general as these studies show people have a much reduced risk of even getting long COVID the more vaccinated they are).
In reply to several responses, I’m still pro vaccination for most people. (I don’t believe there was a conspiracy).
As Cort said the Covid vaccines have saved millions of lives. People forget how bad the pandemic deaths were in the beginning. That dropped off significantly in countries that became highly vaccinated.
However I probably didn’t make it clear that I’m concerned just about blindly vaccinating people with Long Covid and ME/CFS, when for a reasonable period of time now, it’s been known that vaccinations for these patient groups can go wrong in a significant minority of them. And when they do go wrong it’s not just a simple relapse, it can be permanent and life destroying.
Below I’ve attached several patient surveys.
What’s interesting is the similar results back then of disease worsening after vaccination are also similar to these recent studies. That’s more than coincidence, it’s cause for concern.
Correlation isn’t causation, however there comes a point when an observant and prudent researcher suspects that there’s enough correlation to investigate if there is actual causation.
Why can’t antivirals be offered to these patient groups until there’s a way to know which patient phenotype are susceptible or not.
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Survey 1:
AMENZ
NZ survey relating to reactions experienced by the ME/CFS community to the COVID-19 Pfizer BioNTech vaccine
https://anzmes.org.nz/anzmes-preliminary-survey-findings/
Survey 2:
After Covid-19 Vaccination, Health of People with ME/CFS More Likely to Worsen Compared to Controls
https://youandmeregistry.com/after-covid-19-vaccination-health-of-people-with-me-cfs-more-likely-to-worsen-compared-to-controls/
Survey 3:
COVID vaccine effects and ME/CFS – Part One
(First and single doses) – Responses | SurveyMonkey
https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-R6VLPVMK9/
Survey 4
‘Health Rising’ also did a poll.
The worst outcomes from memory was in the severe ME/CFS patients the link is on the main page.
Not everyone tolerated the first Covid vaccine / ME Association. May 13, 2021
https://meassociation.org.uk/2021/05/covid-19-me-cfs-not-everyone-tolerated-the-first-covid-vaccine/?fbclid=IwAR1Wc_bs7qs8ub34_OXAsO2vg4As_vR_g93QfqrF8LpDSMCAOAAASd8_Ptw
Thanks, B Rob – I agree that the ME/CFS patient population is a special case and needs to be assessed as such. I have a memory that Nancy Klimas is looking into that. I hope my recollection is correct.
I absolutely agree, and not just for long COVID patients. The adverse reactions for the general public is much higher than any other medication that isn’t pulled from the market. It should only have ever been given to those at high risk, aged, severely obese, serious other medical conditions.
Hi Lanetta – please provide citations for assertions like adverse reactions are higher in vaccines vs other drugs.
This is something I found
https://www.offthegridnews.com/alternative-health/average-prescription-drug-has-70-side-effects/#:~:text=The%20Archives%20of%20Internal%20Medicine%20recently%20published%20a,some%20posing%20as%20many%20as%20525%20possible%20reactions.
The Archives of Internal Medicine recently published a report stating that the average prescription drug contains 70 side-effects, with some posing as many as 525 possible reactions. Y
Drugs are judged on a cost-benefit analysis. The ability to save millions of people from death or being hospitalized – with the long term effects we now result from that in the form of long COVID and other problems – made the decision to offer the vaccines a pretty easy one for any health official I imagine.
I’ll bet there are many drugs that produce significant side effects in 20% of those who take them.
The question is whether any drug or treatment is worth the risk. With regard to the coronavirus vaccines not many drugs can compete with these results.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/13/health/covid-19-vaccines-study/index.html
Which drugs Cort?
”The question is whether any drug or treatment is worth the risk.” This is true but in most cases like young men (people) this is not the case. They didn’t need the vaccine in the first place.
”The Covid-19 vaccines have kept more than 18.5 million people in the US out of the hospital and saved more than 3.2 million lives, ”
Interesting models they use. I really doubt them. First do no harm?
”We have shown here that the number of vaccines administered is an excellent predictor of “unexplained excess mortality”.
https://www.maurice.nl/2022/12/12/vaccinatiesterfte-gemodelleerd/
Based on a statistical models too,.
Why isn’t more research done into excess mortality? Why is it very quiet and why are the main stream media silent? Why is the data not released to investigate whether the vaccinations are (partly) the cause? Why so much resistance when something is said about excess mortality and vaccination? People have the right to honest, reliable information. All of this seems like something is being kept under wraps. Do you really think that the governments and researchers of this vaccine will cooperate in an honest independent study in which this data becomes available? Of course not!
The silence on excess mortality speaks loudly.
Those of us who know those injured and killed must demand answers for them.
I agree. People have lost all sense of perspective as to lethality of COVID and what is acceptable harm to patients.
I didn’t see anyone in our first world countries pushing for COVID vaccines for the ” third world”. Neither did I see the clamouring to help the millions who die from malaria. This was a virus that killed people but mostly ill or old people. America was hit hard because you’re so unhealthy. I didn’t see anyone slapping burgers out of hands. A far bigger killer.
We should’ve protected the old, taken precautions, limit mass gatherings, be sensible, but keep hospitals open and don’t rush a new technology to market.
People’s acquiescence was bizarre and frightening to me. Literally scared witless over what was essentially flu. I’ve never seen such wall to wall coverage. It wasn’t warranted. Food is killing people in much higher numbers etc.
It was a nasty virus that killed a lot of people.
Our response made it so much worse and we do not know the long term problems we’ve created with this vaccines.
Like I say. Astra zeneca is no longer used. Why?? It went through the trials…then was pulled later.
If as Cort says, there was an acceptable number of deaths in comparison to those it saved, why has it been shadow banned and why does no one in Europe have access to the vaccines under 65?
Oliver, I’m afraid you’re going to have to start to check your “facts” if you want to keep posting on Health Rising. I do not want to spend my precious time and energy cleaning up your unsubstantiated and often just plain conclusions.
I didn’t see anyone in our first world countries pushing for COVID vaccines for the ” third world”.
https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-shares-500-million-covid-19-vaccine-doses-worldwide/
Neither did I see the clamouring to help the millions who die from malaria.
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work/programs/global-health/malaria
America was hit hard because you’re so unhealthy.
America does have a lot of unhealthy people but the main reasons given are low vaccination rates relative to other industrialized countries and poor masking.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-the-covid-death-rate-in-the-u-s-is-so-much-higher-than-other-wealthy-nations
We dig into that now with Jennifer Nuzzo, who studies epidemiology and global health at the Johns Hopkins Center For Health.
It’s good to have you with us. And we will start there.
What accounts for this high death rate, the U.S., as compared to its peer nations?
Dr. Jennifer Nuzzo, Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security: I mean, first of all, we have to acknowledge that it’s a complete and utter tragedy, because the vast majority of the deaths have been preventable, because many of them have occurred, in fact, most of them have occurred since the development of the COVID-19 vaccines.
But what we’re really seeing is the effect of the United States not making enough progress in vaccinating adults against the virus . And people who are not protected from severe illness by vaccine are, unfortunately, the ones most likely to die.
. Literally scared witless over what was essentially flu.
Copilot – According to various studies, the coronavirus is more deadly and causes more severe complications than the flu. For example, one study found that COVID-19 patients hospitalized in the US had a higher risk of death than influenza patients (hazard ratio, 1.61 [95% CI, 1.29-2.02])1. Another study reported that COVID-19 patients in the ICU in France had a 69% higher mortality rate than flu patients2. Additionally, COVID-19 can affect taste and smell, cause blood clots, and lead to long-term symptoms3. Therefore, it is important to get vaccinated and follow preventive measures to reduce the spread of COVID-19.
why does no one in Europe have access to the vaccines under 65?
According to the ECDC website – The EU is currently vaccinating all adults in the EU/EEA2.
”America does have a lot of unhealthy people but the main reasons given are low vaccination rates relative to other industrialized countries ”
Almost 82% is vaccinated against Covid in America, that is higher then in most other countries
https://allecijfers.nl/nieuws/corona-virus-covid19-bevestigde-besmettingen-doden-per-land-wereldwijd/
”According to the ECDC website – The EU is currently vaccinating all adults in the EU/EEA2.”
A vaccination against corona is only recommended for people over 60 and risk groups in most European countries, see the Netherlands. It is now treated and viewed exactly the same as the flu.
https://www.rivm.nl/corona/actueel/vaccinatiecijfers
Corona is more deadly for specific groups. With comorbidity like high blood pressure, diabetei, cardiovascular disease, respiratory diseases, cancer, the chance of death is many times greater at around 10.5% compared to 0.9% without comorbidity. We know that in de VS many people are obese or diabetic.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19#/media/Bestand:Comorbidity_and_severity_in_covid-19_data_from_China_CDC_Weekly_2020,_2(8),_pp._113-122_(cropped).png
Where has the flu actually been in recent years during the corona pandemic? It is possible that patients died with flu but this was not tested because the symptoms are virtually the same and testing was only done with a very sensitive PCR test for corona. It can’t be that the flu, which also kills many people, suddenly disappeared? It seems that corona is more deadly than the flu for certain groups of people, I would assume that. But caution is advised with these data. What is the overall fatality rate of corona versus the flu?
Over the course of 2.5 years, the mortality rate has drastically decreased. While some believe that COVID‐19 is now similar to the common cold or seasonal influenza, others still think of COVID‐19 as a highly fatal disease. As the scientist stated, the Omicron variant led to a lower CFR around the world
Hi Cory,
Really grateful for all you do.
If a person believed that they experienced some degree of vaccine injury from the mRNA vaccines (I’ve had at least 4), would taking Novovax be any different/better? I’m concerned to take it and/but concerned not to. Any thoughts from the community?
Happy to give more context but don’t want to overwhelm with personal details.
Hello Cort, you may find this interesting on the same topic, both highly respected and independent scientists. Spoiler: Professor Clancy thinks taking a so-called vaccine that makes the body’s own cells express the inflammatory spike protein that causes the inflammatory response in covid infection is like pouring petrol on a fire.
https://youtu.be/-Ea3UwYZnrA?si=D6SReD7W-GyYucUW
This is full of other interesting material. The link between Long Covid and ME/CFS is drawn almost immediately and not a surprise to the Professor, who like many of us expected a novel virus to cause a wave of post-infectious chronic illness. His work with Olympic athletes suggests that about 20% of the population are vulnerable. It goes on. Incompetent T-cell responses to EBV are behind a lot of it …. I nearly fell off my chair listening to this chap actually.
I personally would take any claims for the vaccine – which is actually a gene therapy and not a vaccine in the traditional sense incidentally – with a pinch of salt until I’d seen the study methods in considerable detail. The studies that claimed efficacy for the vaccine in preventing the spread of infection, were, quite frankly, garbage and based on significant methodological biases, so I’m not convinced I’m afraid!
What I don’t understand is this; If the virus is harmful, as we know it is, is it because of the Spike Protein?
If that’s the agent of harm, how does injecting billions of them into the body via each vaccine dose help?
Precisely my point as well. I’m 3 years into long covid with no vaccines. It stays about the same. I get the vagus nerve headaches, blurry vision on and off, fatigue, sleep problems, fight or flight is a big one and very frequent at the least amount of stress. Also heart palpitations, anxiety and on and on. I work closely with my Doctor and have tried multiple things. I have good days and bad days but 3 years in is a long time. No one seems to mention the financial drain of long covid. It’s not likely there’ll be any help for anyone. I’m on my own at 75 and working full-time.
If you got the vaccine your immune system would have become activated.
If you got the virus your immune system would have been activated and you would have had a real virus to fight off as well.
I would take option #1!
The vaccines might not have prevented your long COVID – they don’t prevent all long COVID – but multiple study results indicate that they might have prevented it.
I guess it all comes down to whether you choose to believe in what the studies show.
A very astute question
The virus is not harmful because of the spike protein. The spike protein is what the virus uses to enter cells but the spike protein is not the virus – it’s only part of the virus. It isn’t, for instance, able to replicate the virus – you need the rest of the virus to do that – and if you can’t replicate the virus you can’t have zillions of viruses infecting our cells. In other words you have a failed virus.
The vaccines use something similar to the spike protein to alert the immune system that the real virus is present so the immune system can attack it. Because the vaccines don’t contain any real virus you can’t get a viral infection from them.
There’s many scientists disagreeing with that statement Cort
There are like 8 statements in there Oliver. Which ones do scientists disagree with and which scientists disagree with?
That spike proteins are not continuously created in the bodies of the vaccinated. People have referenced the Japanese study. I noticed you didn’t reply to those
Professor Robert Clancy has found similarities between long covid and long post covid vaccination syndrome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ea3UwYZnrA
It is mainly the spikes that cause Long Covid. If you are destined to develop post-viral fatigue syndrome, Just listen to the explanation of how it works by this immunologist i think he is an expert
Comment removed – Sorry, grand conspiracy theories are not allowed in this blog.
My n=1.
Noticeably Improved after 2 x Pfizer.
Slightly worse after Moderna.
Slightly worse after Novavax.
Interesting data, but too many confounding factors to even say if it was the vaccines or other factors.
“If you can handle them, the vaccines can help prevent…”
I handled them (mRNA vaccines) but it was rough: high fever and long recovery times after each jab.
Then the Novavax came out, and at the recommendation of an epidemiologist, I decided to try it. Result: hardly any side effects! If its immunological statistics hold up, that will be my vax of choice going forward.
My opinion is that for many people multiple stressors trigger ME / CFS. In my case, it was a ‘cocktail’ of vaccinations prior to travel to South East Asia, a time of high stress and poor nutrition, and a virus at the end of that 3-4 month period that was the final part of the triggering events.
Led to immune system activation which eventually subsided, and neuroinflammation which didn’t.
Hence the allergies (immune system activation) early in my illness largely resolved after 4-5 years, but the neuroinflammation didn’t… until antidepressants, curcumin, nicotine etc started achieving meaningful improvements.m in energy.
Thanks Cort. Very difficult for lots if us with precarious health trying to weigh up risk vs benefit, but valuable to have this info to navigate it as best we can.
Quite a while ago I watched Gez Medinger’s take on getting a Covid vaccine or not. He thought that in general it is a personal decision, but if you are in a high risk group, the benefits outweigh the risks. Being old I am considered to be in a high risk group, regardless of how healthy I might feel. So I have been dutifully getting the vaccine, mostly the Pfizer ones, whenever it comes available. My last vaccine though was Moderna and it really knocked me for a loop. So much so that I am rethinking getting another one. It didn’t help that the woman who delivered it appeared to be trying to pound the needle into my bones, six weeks later my arm still hurts.
I’m sorry you have to go through all the anti-vax comments where nobody cares to discuss the available evidence, which is exactly what you did. Thanks for the effors Cort
The comments are based on models, facts, science too and expert opinions.
These results may not please vaccine enthusiasts. I wonder what these vaccination enthusiasts have to say to all the vaccination victims? It seems like they are closing their eyes to that.
I’m tired of so-called good people who know it all (pro-vaxers) to call critics anti-vaxers and try to demonize them.
The comments are based on models, facts, science too, and expert opinions. These results may not please vaccine enthusiasts.
I’m happy to respond to modes, facts, science, and expert opinions, Gijs – if you will provide them! You know what I go off of – studies. I report what the studies show. If they showed that the vaccines were bashing everyone I would show that.
If they show that 10-15% of people with long COVID worsen (we don’t know how much) and that 40% moderately improve and nothing happens to the rest of them, I show that.
Please provide the models, studies, etc. so that they can be responded.
I.E.
1. model: ”We have shown here that the number of vaccines administered is an excellent predictor of “unexplained excess mortality”.
https://www.maurice.nl/2022/12/12/vaccinatiesterfte-gemodelleerd/
Based on Data from Central Bureau of Statistics, Netherlands
2.Expert opinion and research:Professor Robert Clancy has found similarities between long covid and long post covid vaccination syndrome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ea3UwYZnrA
It is mainly the spikes that cause Long Covid
3. Study: We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/
etc…. i didn’t know you missed the substantiation
Oh my goodness, this has turned into a ‘fight’ between the for vaxers and the anti vaxers.
Please reference your comments to published studies and not emotional stories of aunt so and so or my friend….
In the early days of the pandemic thousands of people were dying daily and not just those over 60 years old.
If you chose not to have any of the vaccinations and haven’t had COVID that’s great!
If you did choose to have one or more of the vaccinations and haven’t had COVID, that’s also great!
If you have had COVID, whether you were vaccinated or not, I’m sorry you had to go through it. I hope you have recovered and are not experiencing any of the symptoms of long COVID.
Be kind to one another.
”In the early days of the pandemic thousands of people were dying daily and not just those over 60 years old.”
How many died from Covid under the age of 50? And how much above that? Did they have other diseases or were they obese? How high was the death rate compared to the flu?
Show me your data, please?
Was it necessary to vaccinate everyone en masse with a new type of vaccination derived from a gene therapy for cancer that did not work? We still don’t know the longer-term effects. When everything was rolled out, it was based on 1 study by Pfizer itself with an average duration of only 2 months….
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
Normally it takes at least 10 years before you get permission to put a new vaccine on the market and that requires much more than this research.
The butcher tastes his own meat.
But i agree lets be kind to each other
Here’s some data
According to the data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), between January 2020 and June 14, 2023, there were 46,036 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States among people aged 40-49 years 1. Unfortunately, the data does not provide a breakdown of the number of deaths for people under 50 years old.
There is no firm data on hospitalization rates.
The figures you show are not sufficiently insightful to make a statement about it. It concerns a period of almost 3 years in a group between 40 and 49 years old. Was there any comorbidity? High blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, respiratory diseases, cancer, etc… in that case the chance of death is many times greater at around 10.5% compared to 0.9% without comorbidity. We know that in de VS many people are obese or diabetic.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19#/media/Bestand:Comorbidity_and_severity_in_covid-19_data_from_China_CDC_Weekly_2020,_2(8),_pp._113-122_(cropped).png
I am skeptical of “all” new vaccines, because manufacturers have a “get out of jail free card” meaning that they cannot be held accountable in court for any adverse reactions caused by vaccines they make.
There is no doubt that vaccines have saved lives, but kids will get more than 50 shots before they enter adulthood. And nobody knows what this does to the developing immune system.
Clearly vaccines can cause adverse effects because there is a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
You are not unpatriotic or a conspiracy theorist to question a system that has so many financial benefits for some with no responsibility for adverse effects.
A new study out today by several high profile Cardiologists finds “Autopsies confirm COVID ‘vaccines’ cause myocarditis and death.” This is from “a seminal paper just published on January 14th 2024 in the European Society of Cardiology’s Heart Failure journal.”
https://open.substack.com/pub/drtrozzi/p/autopsies-confirm-covid-19-vaccines?r=f9vg3&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Te there’s this blood clotting mystery, one particularly pertinent to me as I have a tendency to create blood clots. That’s why I refused to get the “safe and effective” as I knew introducing the Spike Protein would injure me:
https://vigilantnews.com/post/70-of-embalmers-report-finding-strange-blood-clots-beginning-in-mid-2021/
Those who want an affordable supplement that the MD creators claim disarm spike proteins from the jab and boost immunity in general may want to check out the Wellness Company’s Spike Protein Formula by MD Peter McCullough. They also supply membership medical services and emergency pandemic medical kits for families.
Of course it’s terrible that some people were injured by the vaccine. But *all* interventions involve a risk/benefit calculation & you may or may not make the right choice.
This was a brand new virus with a 10x increased chance of death over the flu – on an entirely naive population.
Humanity needed these vaccines and they saved millions of lives. We now have a good degree of herd immunity due to both the vaccines and previous infections (that for most were less severe due to the vaccines).
The pandemic is a frightening event that has been massively mitigated thanks to the vaccines.
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Wake up people.
Did we all forget that most of us got gaslit by the medical community.
Did we forget how long this saga of me/cfs has been going. For the first 40 years or so we were called malingerers and only because there was no internet to get us all organized to fight back from the world wide gaslighting.
I literally went for decades to many, many ,many Dr’s. Only to be gaslit all the while something inside of me was growing…I kept pleading with them but they just wanted to take the upper hand and “get me on something, make you feel better” not one ounce of science. 🚩
I strongly suspect my childhood vaccines did this to me. Vaccines are meant to provoke a reaction, well, I sure got a reaction…KERBOOM.years of hyper reactions,chemical hypersensitive…moved to 5 different houses.at my worse stuck in bed like whitney dafoe with hundreds of symptoms and skin on my stomach and chest that held a green hue…SEPTIC?.pretty sure I was staring death in the eyes….and ZERO HELP! 🚩
come on up to can can land 🇨🇦 if you really want to see a system driven by greed.
A system where the old boys club gets you in the system of revolving doors all the while the free medical coverage is really about having you repeatedly come back multiple times so they can bill the gov directly.
Take it from me, a guy that got gaslit for decades because my wife worked with them for 35 yrs.and I thought she thought they were all great people doing great things. I now know the progression of science in medicine over all these decades has been halted. They never want to find a cure for any disease yet one look into youtube finds people curing even cancers on their own. It’s an out of control money train.
Folks, wake up already and get ready for disease x brought to you be WEF to a country near you.🚩
Hi Cort,
I just want to thank you for this blog. It is concerning that there was a deluge of conspiracy based comments that followed this post, but I appreciate your science based blog. I’m sure many other readers feel the same but find it exhausting to deal with people shouting “TRUTH!!” while ignoring the scientific consensus and review papers.
Thanks, Tim! It is rather exhausting responding to everything – which is why so many blogs/social media venues no longer allow discussions of vaccines – but it’s an important subject – so here we go! Hope you are doing as well as possible.
Many thoughts the lab leak theory was ” a conspiracy”…..0people need to get real as to how the world works
Some people will never see it Oliver,
Although provaxers dismiss critics as conspiracy thinkers with an insulting derogatory undertone. Does not mean that all conspiracies are nonsense or completely untrue. By the way, I read the comments in this blog, which in almost all cases have nothing to do with conspiracies.
But here is a good example of how a conspiracy can possibly be true.
I.E. ”During the second day of questioning, the 83-year-old former White House adviser admitted that the theory that Covid was created in a laboratory in Wuhan may not just be a conspiracy theory. This is a special development since Fauci was the lead architect of a 2020 paper that debunks the same theory. Former colleagues of Fauci also published a paper in the medical journal The Lancet where they called followers of the theory conspiracy theorists and racists.”
Published in the highly authoritative journal The Lancet 🙂
Science is almost a religion for some people. They think that a publication is the truth, even though it has been proven several times in the past that this was not the case. Even if there are so many red flags. I think that promoting and, above all, pushing vaccinations and ignoring serious side effects or downplaying them is a dangerous development. Consensus is not science.
Nobody here that I can see is downplaying side effects that I can tell, Gijs. What I’m asking for is the best interpretation we can give given the data we have.
I give you large studies which show that the vaccines – which have their downsides – but nevertheless show efficacy with regards to preventing serious illnesses and deaths and long COVID -and estimate that literally millions of lives have been saved and god knows how many people have been saved from coming down with long COVID – and you give me models from obscure researchers and studies which indicate that a small number of people have been harmed.
So I ask you again – what does the preponderance of evidence show?
Do you even read the studies I use? N=787968 a small study?
And some smaller well-done studies can provide very significant information. In autopsies, the studies are (unfortunately) usually smaller, but no less important. They show big red flags.
It is well known that almost all researchers who criticize or conduct research into possible negative effects of vaccinations are initially ridiculed. As you also write that the models come from obscure researchers. The models I present are from https://research.vu.nl/en/persons/ronald-meester I think this man deserves an apology. It is based on available government data. Give him him a funding en de data he need to to confirm or reject that excess mortality is (partly) caused by vaccinations.
The government and responsible researchers can ignore these red flags until a point comes where it becomes untenable just like with ulcers, Parkinson’s, MS, epilepsy, tobacco, Lead from gasoline, and more like we know as patiënts with ME/CFS and Long Covid. The truth will come out. As history shows.
The problem is when scientists want money for a study that could debunk the narrative, they never get funded. And if you do produce studies, a pre-print will be produced that will never pass peer review or be published in major scientific journals. Only researchers who stay within the narrative can produce the major studies you refer to. And do you really believe that these mRNA vaccines against Covid help against all ailments? What seems too good to be true is too good to be true.
Read this medical scandel. It is one of many but a good example
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide
I with you man
The reason I’m so vociferous is thaton many occasions the COVID response has been wrong. Has been shown to be wrong and yet people like Cort ignore this, or slightly change their stance, such as he has on lockdown.
People need to take responsibility for their words.
That’s what I’m saying.
Cort could’ve referenced so much gold standard stuff about lockdowns and how essential they were or how the virus didn’t come from a leak. Now we KNOW those ideas arexat least in question.
Cort doesn’t understand what he’s doing with his Disney world view. It’s dangerous.
Science can be be made to say anything
We have to read between the lines too
Tim, science changes every five minutes; many studies contradict each other; stockholders influence what gets published in medical journals all too often. This world we live in has always been bathing in corruption created by a few at the top, silencing open debate with ad hominem attacks.
Science is always for sale; it is not as pure and accurate as we would like it to be. Follow the money still rules, and that is common sense, not conspiracy theory, a term cleverly invented by the CIA to dismiss all dissenters from the official narratives.
New Research : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10674626/
“The onset of chronic, debilitating symptoms following SARS-CoV-2 vaccination is thought to constitute a novel disease entity, for which the term post-acute COVID-19 vaccination syndrome (PACVS) has recently been suggested “
This may be anecdotal, but I had bloodwork in August of 2020 that came back with an abnormal result for anticardiolipin. The hematologist explained that I needed to repeat the test in 12 weeks in order to determine whether or not I had Antiphospholipid Syndrome, but she seemed pretty confident the antibodies were transient and the test would be normal the next time.
At the end of the next October, I got my flu shot, a TDaP booster, and the first of 3 Gardasil vaccines. Then, early in November, I had the second set of APS labs drawn — and that time they were positive for all three antibodies (lupus anticoagulant, anticardiolipin, and anti-beta2 glycoprotein1).
The hematologist seemed really puzzled by this, and repeated the test a third time another 12 weeks later, which still had a couple antibodies come back flagged as positive, but at a lower level.
She seemed to still think they were transient, so she repeated the test a 4th time, which was positive for two antibodies again at a low level (but not the same two, interestingly), so then another test twelve weeks later, was only positive for anticardiolipin (again at a low level), so they concluded that I do not have the “syndrome”…
Anyway, I believe I have the antibodies ever since I had a stillbirth and HELLP syndrome in 2005. I have not had any other clotting issues sincd, but had read the post “Sticky Blood” on this blog (link below) while looking for information about POTS (because I suspected I had been suffering from POTS), so when I read about the associations between APS and pregnancy losses and preeclampsia, I asked if I could be tested for APS.
[https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2018/08/15/sticky-blood-antiphospholipid-syndrome-pots-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-and-fibromyalgia/]
I suspect that obstetric APS caused my stillbirth in 2005, and that as a result, I carry a low level of the antibodies – which I think may be involved creating the POTS symptoms I now experience, as well as the growing list of autonomic and autoimmune symptoms that seem to also fit the description of Long COVID (even though I have never tested positive for COVID-19.) Given the “spike” in the antibody levels I experienced following the 3 vaccines I received in October of 2020, I can’t help but wonder if the vaccines are to blame… (particularly, the Gardasil!)
My experience isn’t directly relavant to the COVID-19 vaccines because they were not available yet at the time I had these labs drawn, however my first-hand experience with a measurable immune response shortly after having vaccinations, was enough for me to wonder if there was some truth to what the “anti-vax” people have been saying. Still, I was more afraid of what the response would be to the COVID-19 virus itself, so I got the vaccine (Moderna) as soon as it was available (both initial shots, as well as the first booster.)
Now that the overall “fear” of COVID seems to have waned and my autonomic issues have continued to increase, I have been wary to get any more boosters though. It doesn’t take a lot of Googling to find studies that connect the Gardasil vaccine to antiphospholipid antibodies…
I am not an expert at deciphering which studies are scientifically valid, so I am hesitant to include links to any in particular here, however,
I did just come across this one that discusses antiphospholipid antibodies in relation to the COVID-19 vaccines:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9820546/
I don’t have a medical background, so I am not 100% sure how to interpret what the article says, but what I get out of it, is that antiphospholipid antibodies are not nearly tested often enough, and not often enough followed up on to check for persistency. (And if I am I reading this right, a group of “healthcare professionals” used themselves as a control group for this study — so I’m not really sure how I feel about that…but ok…I guess…?)
Anyway, I just wanted to share because I feel these antibodies are significant, at least in my own personal health history, so maybe someone else out there can relate? I know I may not have scientific “proof”, but I also know my entire (very complex) health history, and that is what matters most to me.
Had both Moderna A&B vaccine in April & May 2021. Contracted covid in late September2021. Diagnosed in October 2021 with post viral covid syndrome.
Stroke and MS related symptoms. Research stated that 54% of long or post covid patients improved or returned to normal after receiving the vaccines or had taken the booster in their study. No luck and the study has been removed from the NIH web site.
Looks like info is still circulating.
I am worse after the booster Moderna H21B.
With ME/CFS, Covid vaccine gave me distinct new symptoms (shortness of breath, strong and clotty period, and quite possibly more orthostatic intolerance than before). Period improved over a long time, shortness of breath never quite went away.
On the other hand, I tolerated a tetanus shot well.
This list of comments is a microcosm of what is happening globally.
As a physician with ME/CFS, I have experienced the many sides of this issue personally and professionally.
There is a place to make comments and a place for dissent – this is the democratic way! Dissent is NOT a conspiracy theory, tho’ many use that labelling to attempt to devalue specific valuable dissent.
There is a lot of info and a lot of disinfo – and a lot of differing sources from articles to journals to media to gov’t and organizations etc. Some is sponsored and much valuable info is censored by various organizations that benefit from keeping the info hidden. This reality is hard for many to accept. Some is in sub stacks, and some requires connection with various medical, highly qualified scientists and clinicians, as well as and informed communities. This information is not black and white, and is not static. Power, politics, money and greed may all potentially be involved in different ways, interfering with current and evolving new info.
Many people are well informed with scientific backgrounds, and can accept that science is ever evolving, with the half life of many products ever decreasing. What seems factual today, may be proven wrong the next. Science is not static and those who believe it is, are only trying to calm their fears, or unknowingly give themselves false hope.
Trying to change anyone’s mind is often like beating your head against the wall – not productive. . I provide info and suggest others do the same. Informed choice is the name of the game, and people have the capacity to change their minds if they use critical thinking and remain open. I don’t believe I can change anyone’s mind – we all must do that in our own way, at our own pace and timing. We’re all unique individuals .
Unfortunately, the world of pharmaceutical products continually stirs the pot, as fear mongering often becomes entangled in medical care. Illness and potential death are frightening to most and require understanding.
I personally I have not had this vaccine, but have had other vaccines on an informed choice basis. To me, this one has far too many proven and censored side effects. I don’t like being falsely called an “anti-vaxxer”. I had covid in early 2020 and have natural immunity. I practice and recommend the various ways to enhance the immune system that fit individually. Tests are sometimes useful, and sometimes not.
AMAZING new study out ‘ Persistent complement dysregulation with signs of thromboinflammation in active long covid’
I can access it through my university database. Hopeful conclusion:
‘Available therapeutics targeting the terminal complement pathway could offer new treatment strategies for Long Covid and possibly other postinfection syndromes’
Don’t know what you’ll make of this but it’s very interesting, and not in a good way. It seems to impeach the whole idea of the jabs’ usefulness:
“To date, 72.3% of the total population has been injected at least once with a COVID-19 vaccine. As the immunity provided by these vaccines rapidly wanes, their ability to prevent hospitalization and severe disease in individuals with comorbidities has recently been questioned, and increasing evidence has shown that, as with many other vaccines, they do not produce sterilizing immunity, allowing people to suffer frequent re-infections.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10222767/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
From the study:
”However, emerging evidence suggests that the reported increase in IgG4 levels detected after repeated vaccination with the mRNA vaccines may not be a protective mechanism; rather, it constitutes an immune tolerance mechanism to the spike protein that could promote unopposed SARS-CoV2 infection and replication by suppressing natural antiviral responses. Increased IgG4 synthesis due to repeated mRNA vaccination with high antigen concentrations may also cause autoimmune diseases, and promote cancer growth and autoimmune myocarditis in susceptible individuals.”
Wow, thx Bridget
Thank you for providing a citation 🙂
There are fully informed medical professionals, and others who are not – like the rest of the population. Some fear losing their livelihood if they don’t follow the party line. The medical group of physicians I belong to has been discussing this article and many others for a long time. I believe that this article is truly informative and concerning. There are many other articles that demonstrate the potential dangers of this vaccine, but one must be open to and searching for this info. It’s challenging to be a physician in these times, but also being a patient is a paradoxical gift.
Are there comments deleted or banned Cort? You deleted some of mine too? If yes, i would like to know why
I have not deleted any of your comments, Gijs. Comments that have been removed have the reason posted why on them.
Oke, thx Cort for explaining them. I want to say that I appreciate your comments and blogs even though we don’t completely agree on this topic. I don’t have a monopoly on the truth. No one does. As long as we continue to discuss respectfully. My responses are certainly not a personal attack on you. But on the ‘science’.
I think you misspelled that last word, Gijs.
It’s $cience.
I got sick with long Covid the same month and after I got my booster. That was over 2 years ago and I’m still sick, mostly bedridden. It was also nearly a year BEFORE I got Covid. They are now finding issues with blood clotting, even though I am on blood thinners. I have also developed POTS. I wish someone would study me!
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Cort, thank you for treading into these incendiary waters. The science on efficacy is certainly important to understand.
My take is entirely based on personal anecdote. That’s my disclaimer. But here goes:
I’ve had LC (the ME/CFS kind) since March 2020. I had the initial Pfizer vax and a booster both in March 2021 and another booster in March 2022. All of these shots made me feel unbelievably awful for 36 hours; worse than I felt anytime during my moderate acute COVID infection or during the worst of my severe long COVID. I know some say that’s my immune system responding well to the virus. The vaccines didn’t make my LC better or worse. So here’s more.
Both of my in-laws (granted, in their 80s) never got COVID. They hardly went out in public even before the lockdown. But after the vaccine (I believe Pfizer), my MIL has had unbearable fatigue and was found to have her Epstein Barr reactivated (just like me but from the virus). A year later, my FIL also started having fatigue. His EBV was also found reactivated. He has pain all over and has now been diagnosed with polymyalgic rheumatica. He’s on steroids and still suffering. Both have sworn off any more of these vaccines.
In every long COVID webinar or study session I’m in (like the Yale LISTEN study) there are dozens of vax-injured long haulers or parents of them, all desperate for answers like we long haulers are, but also angry because we were all pushed to get these shots. These vax-injured folks are not being talked about by the government or the media. There are way more of them than anyone realizes. One of my friends – a long hauler in California- her son has avascular necrosis of the hips after the vaccine. He is 21 and can barely walk. Three out of four people in her family are either virus or vax long haulers. There is something going on here genetically as well (which we’ve known from ME/CFS).
In late summer 2023, I messaged my functional medicine doctor a question: should I be considering any of the fall vaccines? COVID, RSV, flu. This is a man who spends an hour a day reading all the LC studies that come out. He knows more about LC than anyone I know. He responded: I cannot recommend that any of my long hauler patients get any of the vaccines right now. We just don’t know enough about how they’ll react and why.
I’ve heard and seen enough to know that the studies don’t apply to me or to everyone for that matter. And I have to make my own decisions based on what my gut tells me. FYI, my healthy 62yo husband won’t take any more of the shots either, especially given how his parents have responded. It’s too risky with genetics.
I am not anti-vaccine in general, but I don’t trust any of the COVID vaccines. Another long hauler friend of mine who chooses to “trust the science” got the Novavax a few weeks ago and ended up admitted to the hospital with a resting heart rate north of 150. I am done.
More studies about COVID-19 vaccines:
Autopsy findings in cases of fatal COVID-19 vaccine- induced myocarditis
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/f…
Myocarditis autopsy paper: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/f…
VAERS myocarditis paper: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1…
preprint autopsy paper: https://zenodo.org/records/8120771
Spike protein detoxification paper: https://www.cureus.com/articles/20765…
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37724…
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37758…