

Geoff’s Narration
The GIST

How close these diseases are matters. A close fit would mean a treatment helps both diseases. Very different diseases would require very different treatment approaches.
So much for the ME/CFS community depends on the answer to the question: “How close a match is ME/CFS to long COVID?” Symptomatically and physiologically, the two diseases look quite similar. If ME/CFS or other complex chronic diseases are a physiological match or even a partial match for long COVID, then effective treatments for long COVID should translate to these diseases.
Before the ME/CFS / long COVID question, though, we had the ME/CFS / fibromyalgia question. Both diseases include core symptoms such as exercise intolerance, fatigue, post-exertional malaise, pain, and cognitive and sleep problems. Both (as well as long COVID) largely fit the “nociplastic” category of diseases, characterized by fatigue, widespread pain, cognitive issues, poor sleep, sensory sensitivity, etc.
The differences appear in the severity of the core symptoms that characterize each disease. People with FM can exercise more but have more pain, while fatigue and post-exertional malaise are more severe in ME/CFS.
One might think that, given their similar symptom sets, researchers would have repeatedly explored and contrasted these diseases. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Different Historical Roots

Two similar appearing diseases ended up being studied separately.
Despite showing up at a similar time in the scientific arena and producing similar symptoms, ME/CFS and fibromyalgia have largely been studied separately.
Historically, ME/CFS, with strong roots in Epstein-Barr virus research, was first considered an immune disease, with metabolic and autonomic nervous system components gaining attention later.
Fibromyalgia, on the other hand, was considered a musculoskeletal disease driven by central sensitization and was typically seen (albeit often reluctantly) by rheumatologists.
The initial ME/CFS criteria focused on fatigue, post-exertional malaise, and other symptoms (cognitive, sleep, etc.), while the initial FM criteria focused on widespread pain and tender points and ignored other symptoms.
Over time, different ecosystems, i.e., different researchers, different NIH Institutes/Centers, different journal publications, different terminologies, locked the two diseases into separate silos. While the symptomatic similarities were recognized when it came to research, the two diseases hardly spoke to each other.
Several FDA-approved drugs to treat central sensitization (pregabalin (Lyrica) – 2007, duloxetine – 2008, milnacipran – 2009), as ineffective as they sometimes were, only deepened the focus on the pain pathways in the brain and spinal cord. Relatively successful FM exercise studies widened the apparent gap between the two.
Over time, though, the diseases have merged to some extent. The inclusion of fatigue, unrefreshing sleep, and cognitive problems in the more recent diagnostic FM criteria brought FM closer to ME/CFS, and vice versa. Small fiber neuropathy, orthostatic intolerance, autonomic nervous system dysfunction, metabolic problems, and neuroinflammation have shown up in both diseases.
It should not be forgotten that FM researchers were digging into the muscles and finding abnormalities long before ME/CFS researchers were. Likewise, given the muscle pain in FM, it made sense that FM researchers would be the first to uncover evidence of widespread small fiber neuropathy. Further research uncovered virtually the same findings in ME/CFS and long COVID.
Similar core brain regions (insula, anterior/mid-cingulate cortex, prefrontal cortex, thalamus, limbic structures, and brainstem) appear to be affected in both diseases.
It’s hard to escape the possibility that these are spectrum diseases that share key physiological similarities that diverge somewhat.
THE GIST
- It’s kind of the eternal question. ME/CFS and fibromyalgia live in different parts of the NIH, are largely studied by different researchers, and are often treated by different doctors – but symptomatically, they are so similar.
- Yes, ME/CFS has more exertion intolerance and PEM, and fibromyalgia has more pain, but both are complex diseases affecting the brain and body, and both produce problems with fatigue, sleep, cognition, and sensory stimulation.
- One would think researchers would be eager to study them together. After all, insights into one disease could very well inform the other. Why not employ some efficiencies of scale?
- As it turns out, they have rarely been studied together. That oddity dates back to their beginnings. Fibromyalgia was originally defined wholly by pain sensitivity, while ME/CFS was defined by fatigue, post-exertional malaise, sleep, cognitive problems, etc.
- As much as many of them disliked treating FM patients – who rarely responded to their treatments – rheumatologists became the FM specialists, while general practitioners and sometimes immunologists gathered in the ME/CFS patients.
- Pain researchers focused on FM, while ME/CFS’s early roots in Epstein-Barr virus led immunologists to study it. FM researchers focused on the brain and muscles, while ME/CFS researchers plowed into cytokines and pathogens.
- As our understanding of fibromyalgia has evolved, it’s moved closer to ME/CFS. The recent FM criteria now include things like fatigue, sleep, and cognitive issues. Small fiber neuropathy, orthostatic intolerance, autonomic nervous system dysfunction, metabolic problems, and neuroinflammation have shown up in both diseases. FM is no longer simply considered a brain disease, and the brain has shown up in spades in ME/CFS.
- A rare ME/CFS and FM study offered some insight into how close these two diseases are. The study focused on epigenetics, which examines how our gene expression changes over time. It turns out that stressful events like infections, illnesses, trauma, etc., can turn on or off which genes are being expressed. It’s as if a new genetic being emerges over time.
- The study uncovered two epigenetic axes: one that included mostly ME/CFS patients with PEM and cognitive issues. The epigenetic changes in this group affected things like aerobic energy production, fatty-acid metabolism, and neuroendocrine-immune regulation.
- The second epigenetic axis contained both ME/CFS and FM patients. The epigenetic changes in this group, interestingly enough, fell heavily on immune genes. The genes that may have been turned on or off were involved in several immune pathways that are currently being targeted in long-COVID trials.
- Long thought of as a nervous system disease, fibromyalgia appeared to have a strong immune component as well. Indeed, some studies suggest that inflammation – which does not show up on standard tests – may be tweaking the nerves in the body and causing pain.
- The findings suggest that an inflammatory core may underlie both diseases, but that ME/CFS may get an extra epigenetic hit that affects energy metabolism.
- In the brain, we find almost the same regions affected. It’s possible, though, that they’re affected differently. An ME/CFS brain lacks energy, while in fibromyalgia, the pain processing regions of the brain are highly activated.
- Jarred Younger has an explanation for the brain findings: inflammation affects slightly different parts of the brain. If Younger is correct, any treatment that reduces inflammation in the brain could help both ME/CFS and fibromyalgia patients.
- All that’s needed is for similar biological pathways to show up in both diseases, and here’s where long COVID comes in. Since long COVID is getting the vast majority of clinical trials, it may be the key player. If similar biological pathways are showing up in ME/CFS, FM, and long COVID – and they are showing up – then an effective long-COVID treatment should be applicable to ME/CFS and FM.
- We find ME/CFS and FM relying on long COVID for help because these two diseases share another similarity – horrid funding from the National Institutes of Health (NIH).
- Both ME/CFS and FM are complex, multisystemic diseases; both largely strike females; both mostly produce disability rather than death; both lack objective biomarkers (such as lesions, autoantibodies, tissue damage); both are prevalent; and both have been virtually ignored by the NIH for over 40 years (2025 funding: FM – $15 million/year; ME/CFS – $12 million/year).
- Migraine, POTS, chronic tension headache, IBS, endometriosis, interstitial cystitis/bladder pain syndrome, vulvodynia, and temporomandibular disorders fit a similar template. All have largely thwarted efforts to find substantial tissue damage, and most feature problems with sensory processing, autonomic nervous system dysregulation, immune activation, small nerve fiber damage, mast cells, connective tissue issues, and a dysfunctional stress response.
- The NIH’s unwillingness to support these diseases produces a vicious circle: poor funding and small studies yield interesting but fragile results but the larger, more expensive studies needed to validate the findings and uncover objective markers rarely appear. That leaves these heterogeneous diseases vulnerable to claims that they lack rigorous biology which results in them being underfunded.
- Absent large, well-funded studies, it’s virtually impossible for these fields to escape this vicious circle. They continue to produce scintillating findings, but those findings never make the impact needed to get them over the hump and receive the funding their size and impact indicates they deserve. They become permanently stuck on the fringes.
- The NIH recognizes this. A 2024 report, “Advancing Research on Chronic Conditions in Women“, stated that when diseases predominantly affect one sex, women tend to lose out. The report specifically identified ME/CFS, migraine/headache, and endometriosis among the most underfunded female-dominant conditions.
- Both migraine and long COVID, though, provide some hope. Despite being dramatically underfunded, once migraine researchers got the biology right, a new generation of more effective drugs (anti-CGRP) showed up.
- Given long COVID’s similarities to ME/CFS, fibromyalgia, and others, research and treatment gains should feed into these diseases. Time will tell.
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The Epigenetic ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia Study
A rare comparative ME/CFS/FM study, “Epigenome-wide profiling identifies distinct DNA methylation architecture underlying ME/CFS and fibromyalgia symptom burden“, recently cropped up, which may help explain why these diseases are so similar and different at the same time.

In epigenetics, changes to methylation turn on or off genes after stressful events.
This paper explores one of the more intriguing angles of ME/CFS and FM, given that both can be triggered by a stressful event such as an infection, illness, injury, or period of stress. During these times, dramatic epigenetic shifts can occur, which alter our gene expression. You could almost say that a new genetic being arises; one with a new package of turned-on and turned-off genes.
Epigenetic studies have been done but, as so often happens, different genes have been turned on or off in different studies. The authors have a reason for this, which appears to align with PrecisionLife’s finding that ME/CFS and long COVID are highly polygenic, suggesting that many different genes in different combinations contribute to these diseases.
The authors proposed that most epigenetic studies cannot detect the many small epigenetic changes that have occurred. They used something called “unsupervised dimensionality reduction’ – which meant they didn’t tell the program who had ME/CFS or FM – and “region-based analysis”, which looked for regional epigenetic changes rather than changes to a single site. They focused their study on immune cells (PBMCs).
Results
Neither Separate Nor the Same
A symptom analysis made sense with what we know: people with FM scored higher on pain, pain catastrophizing, and central sensitization scores, while people with ME/CFS had lower activity levels and more trouble with PEM and cognition.
The epigenetic assessment identified two methylation axes (PC5 and PC6): one focused on people with ME/CFS and the other on people with ME/CFS or FM.
The ME/CFS Axis – PC5
Genes that possibly impacted energy levels characterized the ME/CFS-only group.
PC5 consisted largely of people with PEM and cognitive issues and separated ME/CFS patients from FM patients and healthy controls. This finding made sense given the lower activity levels of the ME/CFS patients and suggested that epigenetic changes may have contributed to them.
The pathways and loci that were dysregulated seemed all of a piece. Pathways involving calcium signaling, PI3K-Akt, PPAR, arachidonic-acid metabolism, and neuroactive-ligand signaling, and loci such as NAPRT, HIF3A, and OXT (metabolic stress/hypoxia/neuroendocrine regulation) were also enriched.
PI3K-Akt, PPAR signaling, and arachidonic-acid metabolism form an immune–metabolic–lipid signaling network. Interestingly, a recent review, “Dysregulated Resolution of Inflammation After Respiratory Viral Infections: Molecular Pathways Linking Neuroinflammation to Post-Viral Neuropathic Pain—A Narrative Review”, proposes that viral infections activate the same pathways the epigenetic paper suggested are altered in ME/CFS. These can result in innate immune activation, the production of danger signals, oxidative stress, mitochondrial dysfunction, neuroinflammation, and ultimately chronic pain.
The inability to resolve the initial inflammatory surge results in nervous system sensitization that persists long after the virus has been cleared. The fact that we see a similar assemblage of factors – innate immune activation, inflammation, oxidative stress, mitochondrial/metabolic dysfunction, lipid dysregulation – popping up again and again in research papers is encouraging.
These findings make sense with previous ME/CFS findings, which suggest that reduced aerobic energy production, fatty-acid metabolism, NAD+, and neuroendocrine-immune regulation play a role.
PC6 – The ME/CFS/FM Axis or … Inflammation Axis

Is inflammation the tie that binds in ME/CFS and FM?
PC6 was found in people who had lots of issues with pain (pain impact, widespread pain, temporal summation (rapid increases in pain intensity) but also experienced sleep disturbance, post-exertional malaise, and cognitive symptoms. PC6 separated both patient groups from healthy controls but could not distinguish the ME/CFS patients from the fibromyalgia patients; i.e., this was a core ME/CFS and FM group.
Notice the heavy immune representation in this group. Pathways associated with cytokine–receptor signaling, NF-κB, JAK-STAT, TGF-β, Notch, and immune-checkpoint regulation were all enriched in the ME/CFS+FM group.
This may be good news for ME/CFS and FM as several long-COVID clinical trials are aimed at these pathways (Bezisterim – NF-kB, Bariticinib, Abrocitinib, Upadacitinib + Pirfenidone – JAK/STAT). Two of the JAK/STAT trials are so large, they could, if I understand correctly, immediately lead to FDA approval for long COVID.
We’ve always thought of ME/CFS as being an immune disease, but these epigenetic findings suggest that fibromyalgia – long thought purely in terms of the nervous system – is an immune disease as well. Inflammation – probably a different kind of inflammation than is traditionally seen – may play a significant role in FM.
Indeed, some studies suggest that localized inflammation tweaking the peripheral nerves could kick off the pain sensitization cycle in the brain in FM. Likewise, inflammation in the brain could dysregulate pain-inhibitory and pain-enhancing pathways.
Conclusion
In the end, this epigenetic paper suggests that ME/CFS and FM share a substantial chronic multisystem biology focused around immune regulation, pain, sleep, cognition, and autonomic symptoms, but people with ME/CFS may get an extra epigenetic hit to their mitochondria/metabolism, which results in less exercise tolerance, more PEM, and worsened cognition.
Note that this paper could not demonstrate that these epigenetic changes are actually modifying our biology. Not all epigenetic changes matter where the rubber meets the road – in altered protein levels. (Proteins do the work in the cell). This study suggests the potential is there, but different studies would be required to demonstrate they’re having the effect they could be having.
Two Similar but Different Brain Diseases?
Many of the same brain areas (anterior cingulate cortex, insula, prefrontal cortex, thalamus, brainstem) have been affected in both ME/CFS and fibromyalgia, but how they are triggered may be different.
The recent Bedard study Health Rising covered found that in people with ME/CFS, the brain failed to recruit more brain regions during a handgrip test. While several possibilities exist, one explanation is that ME/CFS brains lacked the energy to successfully complete the handgrip stress test. Interestingly, a long-COVID study showed a major energy deficit in the anterior cingulate cortex.
ME/CFS and long COVID brains may, then, have a low-energy problem.
In fibromyalgia, something different may be happening. Even a small amount of stimulation can overactivate the brain’s pain-processing areas. The same pathways (insula–cingulate–brainstem) are in play in both diseases but may produce different results: more PEM and exercise intolerance in ME/CFS, and increased pain sensitization in FM.
Jarred Younger believes inflammation in slightly different parts of the brain produces the somewhat different symptoms in these diseases. In our interview, he noted that slightly different areas of the cingulate cortex are affected in ME/CFS and FM.
Younger suggested the cingulate cortex may be the “hub” region for all these diseases. Because it affects everything from pain processing, effort, motivation, and autonomic nervous system regulation to attention, problems in the ACC could emphasize pain in FM, maximize effort in ME/CFS, while contributing to the other factors (fatigue, sleep problems, cognition) in both.
The Key – Common Biological Pathways

The key question for ME/CFS and FM, particular, may be how many core biological pathways they share with long COVID.
Ultimately, available drug options will likely come down to which drugs can target the biological pathways validated in these diseases. The question then becomes which biological pathways they share. Since long COVID is getting the lion’s share of clinical trials, the big question for ME/CFS and FM is which biological pathways they share with long COVID. (The challenge for the smaller diseases, as always, is producing large enough studies to validate these biological pathways.)
The good news is that they seem to share several pathways:
- Mitochondrial metabolism (not failure) and oxidative stress – evidence of problems with mitochondrial energy production and oxidative stress that disrupts nervous system/muscle functioning is present in all three diseases. (Fibromyalgia actually has a long history of muscle/mitochondrial work.)
- Neuroinflammation / glial–neuronal signaling – neuroinflammation may provide the strongest link between these diseases. Each disease needs more study in this area, but the idea that inflammation in the brain triggers similar and different symptoms in these diseases is compelling.
- Immune Dysregulation – innate immune activation (particularly monocytes) and T-cell dysregulation seem pretty well established in long COVID and ME/CFS, which could open up a wealth of possibilities. The immune system in fibromyalgia hasn’t received as much study, but a recent review suggests that the peripheral immune system (the immune system in the body) may be tweaking the peripheral nerves.
- Autonomic Dysregulation – it’s clear that each disease produces autonomic nervous system dysregulation, which could produce problems with blood flows, pain sensitization, cognitive problems, and even immune problems. (The ANS is an important immune system regulator.) Problems with blood flow/clotting are well established in ME/CFS and long COVID and have also shown up in FM.
- Gut-Microbiome-Immune – ME/CFS and long COVID, and to some extent fibromyalgia, share a startling number of gut issues including altered flora, reduced short-chain fatty acid production, leaky gut, and the metabolic issues that result.
This short overview suggests that a breakthrough in treating immune dysregulation, inflammation/neuroinflammation, metabolic issues, the autonomic nervous system, blood vessels, or the gut in one disease could ripple through the others.
These core similarities are exactly why all these diseases – from ME/CFS to FM to long COVID, etc., – should be studied together and why they need a place in the National Institutes of Health that fosters that.
The Last Overlap – the Vicious Circle: How NIH Neglect Haunts Both Diseases

Poor funding has kept ME/CFS, FM and similar diseases from moving forward rapidly.
The most unwelcome similarity involves the disdain these diseases have historically met at the National Institutes of Health (NIH). They fall into a category of diseases the NIH has mostly chosen to ignore – and probably secretly wishes will just go away.The problem is that they just won’t.
A pattern is clear. Both ME/CFS and FM are complex, multisystemic diseases; both largely strike females, both mostly produce disability rather than death; both lack objective biomarkers (such as lesions, autoantibodies, tissue damage), both are prevalent; and both have been virtually ignored by the NIH for over 40 years (2025 funding: FM – $15 million/year; ME/CFS – $12 million/year).
Despite the fact that these diseases are prevalent (ME/CFS – @ 3 million; fibromyalgia – @ $5 million; migraine – @ 35 million) and cause a lot of disability and economic pain (ME/CFS – @ $20 billion; fibromyalgia – @ $20-30 billion; migraine – $80-100 billion), NIH has never been willing to put the money into these diseases that their prevalence and economic costs indicate they should be receiving.
The fact that migraine, a common, female-predominant disease that is not controversial, still receives less than 10% of the funding from the NIH that its burden of disease suggests that it should says it all.
Migraine, POTS, chronic tension headache, IBS, endometriosis, interstitial cystitis/bladder pain syndrome, vulvodynia, temporomandibular disorders fit a similar template. All have largely thwarted efforts to find substantial tissue damage, and most feature problems with sensory processing, autonomic nervous system dysregulation, immune activation, small nerve fiber damage, mast cells, connective tissue issues, and a dysfunctional stress response. All receive far less funding than expected for diseases of their prevalence. (Does it feel better or worse to know we have company?)
Not all female-dominated diseases receive poor funding. Breast cancer, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus – all receive ample funding. They all also have common objective markers, which makes them easier to study than diseases like ME/CFS, FM, and migraine.
The NIH’s unwillingness to support these diseases produces a vicious circle: poor funding and small studies yield interesting but fragile results, but the larger, more expensive studies needed to validate the findings and uncover objective markers rarely appear. That leaves these heterogeneous diseases vulnerable to claims that they lack rigorous biology.
The NIH then fails to fund them because they lack … “rigorous biology”. The NIH then goes to patient groups and tells them to fund the needed studies. The same lack of “rigorous biology” (i.e., large, validating studies), however, prevents buy-in from philanthropists, keeping the diseases stuck.
Absent large, well-funded studies, it’s virtually impossible for these fields to escape this vicious circle. They continue to produce scintillating findings, but those findings never make the impact needed to get them over the hump and receive the funding their size and impact indicates they deserve. They become permanently stuck on the fringes.
The NIH recognizes this. A 2024 report, “Advancing Research on Chronic Conditions in Women,” stated that when diseases predominantly affect one sex, women tend to lose out. The report specifically identified ME/CFS, migraine/headache, and endometriosis among the most underfunded female-dominant conditions.
Funding, however, has continued at its petty pace. Fibromyalgia seems to be in particularly bad shape with few efforts to uncover its physiological basis underway. A search of the NIH’s Reporter program found a mishmash of mostly unexciting treatment and exercise studies.
They included “affect intervention” (psychology), vagus nerve stimulation, neuromodulation, auricular (ear) stimulation, exercise, exercise, vibrational spectroscopy, pain variability, the gut, metformin, and an animal model. Except possibly for the spectroscopy study, none made a serious attempt to get the physiological roots of FM. It’s as if the NIH has given up trying to understand FM.
Both migraine and long COVID, though, provide some hope. Despite being dramatically underfunded, once migraine researchers got the biology right, a new generation of more effective drugs (anti-CGRP) showed up.
Given long COVID’s similarities to ME/CFS, fibromyalgia, and others, research and treatment gains should feed into these diseases. Time will tell.





Scary thought that the progression of CFS/FM/LC mirrors changes in the epigenome. I suppose you can block the associated inflammatory pathways, but how can you ever hope to reverse epigenetic switches?
Yes they can be reversed, and they are changing all the time. In the same way that stress/infection/trauma can produce a negative epigenetic change, you could conceivably find a treatment that helps and which also reverses them as your body shifts to a new state.
Good to know, Cort. I am aware some research groups are talking about LC and CFS as ‘pathological homeostasis’, which I guess tracks with what you’re saying…
Interesting! I’m saying all the time that I believe there to be a big epigenetic component to ME/CFS 🙂 and wish there’d be additional involvement of epigenetics researchers in the ME/CFS research community.
One question, Cort: Would it generally be possible to include the active link to/title of the study in question into The Gist, too? (for those like me who read only The Gist). Would save scrolling through the big page with bad ME/CFS hands 🙂 Thank you!
Sure thing 🙂
Thank you!
The NIH has not improved in 40 years while millions suffer from their negligence. They are a national disgrace IMNHO.
Regarding our diseases I completely agree. I remember when former NIH Director Francis Collins said “Watch us – we’ve changed”. That was about ten years ago and here we are – which just goes to show how stuck we are. The Director of the NIH said thing were going to be different – and here we are at $13/year in funding.. Our funding has actually gone down…
HERE HERE!!!
As we all know, ME/CFS is not a single disorder, but a syndrome; multiple areas of dysfunction. While it is tempting to broaden research focus to look for commonalities between syndromes — i.e., fibromyalgia, Long Covid — initial research results suggest otherwise; there is too much variability. Getting at understanding and treating a specific dysfunction might be a better approach, a la Dr. J. Younger focusing on inflammation in the brain.
Agreed – hence the focus on common biological pathways.
I asked Google – and found:
“Large health studies show that females make up a significantly larger portion of long COVID diagnoses, often representing roughly 60% to 80% of reported cases depending on the specific cohort.”
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11755195/ concludes
“In this prospective cohort study of the NIH RECOVER-Adult cohort, female sex was associated with an increased risk of long COVID compared with male sex, and this association was age, pregnancy, and menopausal status dependent. ”
Great. As usual, diseases which affect women more get lower interest and funding.
Why am I not surprised at the low rate of progress for ‘solving’ long covid?
Well… the good news is, for what it’s worth, that at least it’s not considered all “psychological” anymore. The VA tried that on me a few times until I explained in no uncertain terms, that all diseases in women were NOT psychological and they’d better get their acts together or I would be escalating the situation to people outside the system who knew better. Things have changed a lot in tick borne illnesses, ME/CFS, Fibro, CAS, POTS, etc. 🙂
I can finally agree with the NIH on something. I too wish these diseases would just go away, albeit not so secretly. 😖
🙂
It’s always been a man’s world and that won’t change because of patriarchy. Women’s diseases have always been ignored, underfunded and thought to be psychiatric in origin. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world, after all. Just not in medical research. UGH.
Not all of them are. Some women’s diseases – lupus and other autoimmune diseases get ample funding – but when it comes to a disease that primarily affects females and is “invisible”; i.e.’ doesn’t directly attack an organ or have an objective marker – then watch out!
Ah this is awesome. I have been reading your awesome study summaries for 15 years due to my wifes fibromyalgia, which our daughter probably also has. Thankyou so much for your work. This looks like a really good way of getting an overview of the complex interlinked pathways that the disease obviously has. Also really nice to see a study with a clear FM element to it, so often I am reading ME focussed stuff and having to mentally remember it may be only partially relevant. I made a small funding payment in appreciation.
Thanks! Unfortunately, really good physiological FM research has not been forthcoming lately altho some studies did just recently pop up.
Have I been blocked from posting here, Cort?
It’s uncool to silence people for no apparent reason. 🤷♀️
There was nothing wrong with your comment. It simply got stuck in the moderation queue which is an automatic process and which I have no control over. Sometimes – as in this case – it happens for reasons I cannot tell! It seems to have a mind of its own.
Ok, Cort, thanks for replying… it kinda stressed me out for some reason as it’s never happened before now. Doesn’t take much when we’re disabled and stressed! 😩lmao
I’m sorry it took so long to release your comment from the moderation queue – but no, you are not blocked!
This is an interesting little study just out on endothelial function and exercise intolerance in long covid:
https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.14814/phy2.71103?utm_medium=email&utm_source=substack
When funds permit I am going to order some epicatechin supplement. It acts on a few things that seem to be out of whack in NE/CFS and long covid – including endothelial function
Cort, any word from Dr Mullington on her orexin research?
No reply to my question. Thanks, though, for the link. It was a small study but I love the conclusion – it makes so much sense to me (personally :))
“In conclusion, 3 years after infection, Long COVID remains characterized by endothelial dysfunction and blunted hyperemic shear despite preserved MW, supporting a predominantly peripheral vascular basis for persistent exercise intolerance.”
That’s a pity. Some researchers are incredible at being responsive to questions from the patient community.
Hopefully the study results are out soon.
Yes, I thought that study was excellent and makes so much sense.
I think we might sometimes underestimate how much research is occurring around the world in long covid.
Cort- What happened to Goebels study on FM? Wasn’t he going to do a study to see if there are immune issues? Wasn’t he the one who gave mice an injection of serum from fibromyalgia patterns and saw that the mice had fibromyalgia symptoms? .
My understanding is that he is still continuing that work. In his recent review he argued that it was time for clinical trials. I don’t know if he’s been able to get anything together. Perhaps more importantly though, he’s catalyzed more mice study work. A Long COVID mice study essentially replicated what he found in FM. 🙂
I haven’t seen anything on your site about the massive study completed last May of millions of people with FM across 6 different countries. Spearheaded by Professor Michael Wainberg and PhD candidate Isabel Kerrebijn.
“A study co-led by Toronto researchers breaks new ground in understanding fibromyalgia and developing targeted treatments for chronic pain.
In a landmark study published in Nature Medicine, an international team of researchers identified new genetic risk factors associated with fibromyalgia syndrome.”
https://temertymedicine.utoronto.ca/news/largest-ever-genetic-study-fibromyalgia-points-neurological-origin-disorder
But, Shannon, of course we did! 🙂 That was an exciting study.
https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2025/10/20/brain-fibromyalgia-genetics/
Thanks for checking in, though, and please let me know about anything we’ve missed. 🙂
Thank you for the link and all you do here on your site as well. I thought that study finished just this past May. It was last year!
Fluvoxamine reduces brain inflammation. It was shown to reduce fatigue in long covid in a recent study. It greatly reduces my neurological symptoms during a PEM relapse, making it much more bearable. No staggering, slurring, confusion, auditory seizures, pots, severe anxiety, depression. Reduced tachycardias. I had been convinced my brain had become inflamed during PEM because of all those symptoms that came on only during PEM. What a relief when they all went away once I started taking half the dose recommended in the study. My mood has improved when not in PEM. I’ve had ME/CFS for 20 years.
The fluvoxamine and long covid study. https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/ANNALS-25-03959
Fluvoxamine reduces fatigue in long covid, and reduces brain inflammation.
Sorry this is a bit off topic.
I have been thinking about mitochondria in ME/CFS.
I was reading something the other day that said mitochondria are impacted in many illnesses. So that made me really wonder if mitochondrial dysfunction is a primary or secondary issue in ME/CFS.
I am thinking perhaps the latter. And that inflammation is the primary issue in ME/CFS. Clearly, inflammation impacts mitochondria.
Having said that, there is a bidirectional relationship. That is, mitochondrial dysfunction can lead to inflammation- and vice versa. So perhaps addressing both inflammation and mitochondria at the same time might be quite effective.
I think it might be a bit ‘chicken and egg’
I have had some benefit from curcumin in the past, for inflammation and PEM. I am going to order some ‘theracurmin’, a much more bioavailable form of curcumin (it usually has poor bioavailability) that has been brought to market in recent times. And I will order some urolithin A.
The theory here is that I will work on the inflammation AND the mitochondria.
I note that curcumin works on TOR and Jak-Stat – both are implicated in ME/CFS.
Interested in thoughts.
https://mrr.mecfs-research.org/en/mrr/publications/eFcjGJ7ARBWMs5Zks-WzYA
I think you will find this study interesting.
How close are ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia? I recently had an appointment with an NHS ME doctor at my local ME clinic. She mentioned some research by a psychiatrist in Brighton, UK – A Dr Jessica Eccles who is hypermobile and has ADHD. I was a little sceptical but watched a recent YouTube video with Long Covid doctor Binita Kane talking to Jessica. Very interesting for anyone who is or thinks they maybe hypermobile. Sorry not sure how to include a YouTube link.
20 years ago they found a link between joint hypermobility and anxiety – 70% of those who are hypermobile had anxiety, compared to 20% in the rest of the population – ie an immune system/connective tissue link CAUSING the anxiety. They went on to find far higher levels of ADHD and autism in hypermobile people. They are also looking at ME and fibromyalgia as there is obviously an overlap with hypermobile joints in both of these illnesses and associated problems like POTS. Many of us with ME and Long Covid had a history of weird brain/nervous symptoms and allergies and intolerances in the years before finally getting the virus which caused full blown ME. Many of us – particularly young females were told it’s all psychological/anxiety etc. Would seem being hypermobile is making some people more prone to ME and fibromyalgia.
I thought PEM was absolutely only found in MECFS, not in fibromyalgia. If it’s in both I don’t see how there’s any differentiation between them in terms of diagnostic criteria.
The framing of this as the eternal question really helped me understand why the answer matters so much, since how close the two diseases are decides whether a treatment for one might help the other. The epigenetic study’s two axes were especially illuminating, with one group showing ME/CFS-specific energy and metabolic changes and another shared inflammation group suggesting common ground. I also appreciated the honest note about NIH funding, since the vicious circle of underfunding and small studies explains why these comparisons have been so rare.